Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Campaign 2020 First Bernie Sanders Thread 2020

I do not grant a lot of credibility to her story.

Like Bill Maher said, the "you gotta believe the woman" push is an opportunity to be gullible.

Sure, to investigate claims is one thing and it should be done, but automatically believing in all claims is a totally different thing, and is not right. Remember the Duke Lacrosse case.

I understand that (though I think the Court is a bit more balanced than you do), however, that doesn't really address the discussion. There has to be a point at which lesser-of-two-evils isn't enough to make a candidate worthy of one's vote.

Sure. Unless the bigger of two evils is so big that it is an extinction-level event. I think that Donald J. Trump's incompetence, wannabe-dictator ways, and disrespect for the rule of law, qualify as the worst gap in terms of lesser-of-two-evils we've ever encountered, so, I think we have the obligation to deny him a second term, if we want to survive as one of the leading countries in the world.

"I think we have the obligation to deny him a second term, if we want to survive..." as one of the leading countries in the world

There, fixed it for ya!

Don't fergit, Twumpy once asked "why we can't just drop a few nukes in Europe".
Extinction level means EXTINCTION, actual cessation of existence as a viable species.

The next "president" might not even be from our species.

I concur with James Mattis on this point - the greatest threat to the long term national security is the debt.

That being said, if you honestly believe that a second Trump term represents a real extinction level threat to the human species, then I can understand desperation to avoid that.

I think I would question your judgement in such a case, but at least not your consistency.

Personally, neither of these men deserve my vote, and neither will receive it (shrug).

What's wrong with your comprehension of what I post? I said the survival of our LEADERSHIP in the world. That's what is getting extinct. NOT the human species. Gee!

Please don't put words in my mouth. Please read my posts accurately. And you did quote my very post, with my very phrase that I now have highlighted in bold above, so, from this to the extinction of humankind there is a VAST difference. I'd expect more from you in terms of comprehending a post, unless you want to be deliberately disingenuous.

And it isn't so difficult to see that Haas above was the one talking about the extinction of the species... not me. Better proof, he took that very quote of mine and had to MODIFY IT to make his point.

So, when you react to a post, see if you can manage to react to the RIGHT poster, OK? The one who ISN'T talking about the end of the species.

PS - If you think debt is the biggest threat (a defensible position), then you might have an interest in realizing how Trump is increasing it to a degree never seen before.

What you stated was:


An Extinction Level Event is not "the world becomes more multipolar". It is an Extinction Level Event.


Indeed, the two are quite separate, which is why I responded to them separately, and why I saw no particular reason that you would (as you are now saying you intended) mean that they were, in fact, the same.

(shrug) if you merely intended to use hysterical and hyperbolic language instead of accurately describing what you were referring to, alright. I'm happy to talk about the decline of American leadership and how it plays a role in this election (Spoiler: Both candidates will oversee the continued decline of American leadership in the world, and I do not think that is a justification for voting for either of them).


I've been making that point (that Trump is a big spender) since the GOP primary in 2015, and the threat posed by that increased debt it is one reasons that I take the economic impacts of the COVID shut downs (and the resulting government expenditures) as seriously as I do. It is, after all, my sig line

How did capitalism help us in this pandemic? Many companies that could step-up and make PPEs did not. Workers shuttered from their jobs needed financial assistance.

If you were in charge, you would have said: Keep everything open, and those who get the virus will either die or get better. Oh well.

Back in the day, mush-brained Ronald Reagan said: Trust, but verify.

This is the same thing, but stated differently.

Oh come on. I specified the extinction of what I was referring to. Again, if you only read ONE phrase out of context (if you keep reading, that is, if you put it in context given the explanation of what kind of extinction I was referring to) you wouldn't know that I wasn't talking about the extinction of the human race, so, no, I wasn't hysterical. You put hysterical things in my mouth. As usual. That's one of the things you do.

If both candidates will preside over the decline of American leadership, maybe so, but I do believe (and I'm entitled to this opinion) that Trump is way way way way way way worse than Biden in this regard. And, like you said, a big spender, not to forget how he hinders the revenue too, with his huge tax cut.

I believe that with 4 more years of Trump we'll go broke much worse than with 4 years of Biden. Can I prove it? Of course not because it hasn't happened yet (a Biden presidency, if it happens), but we do have Trump's 3 and a half years in power to look at, and it isn't pretty.