Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Politics In General There needs to be a ‘real reckoning’ for Trump’s abuses if Biden wins

It falls upon the president's own party to remove him if they deem him unfit.

Republicans, by and large, approve mightily of Trump, agree with him, are loyal to him, and genuinely like what he's doing. They would vote for someone like him at any opportunity.

That right there is the problem.

I was thinking about that, according to the latest YouGov Poll, 46% of Republicans like Trump a lot, 25% like him somewhat, 14% neither like nor dislike Trump. Question 83

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/hpupr0zhkl/econTabReport.pdf

So the GOP's support of and voting for Trump isn't because they really like the guy personally or as an individual. Not with his raunchy personality. Still 88% of Republicans say they'll vote for him in November, the same percentage that voted for Trump in 2016. Question 59. My conclusion, most Republicans view Trump with all his flaws along with his childish behavior of calling others names and throwing of temper tantrums, he's still better to them than any Democrat.

That shouldn't surprise anyone, whoever the Democrats run, 90% of them will vote for him because he's better than any other Republican. Fact is history shows on average 90% of Republicans and Democrats vote for their party's candidates regardless of who those candidates are, good, bad or indifferent. Party loyalty I suppose.

Also the world views are completely different depending on whether on views the world through deep red or deep blue colored glasses. I understand that, most partisan's can't.

You could replace Trump today with a Kasich or a Rubio or even an Eisenhower or a Reagan, the same 90% of Democrats would vote against them, the same 90% of Republicans would vote for them. In our modern era of polarized and ultra high partisan politics, that's isn't about to change regardless of who each party picks as their candidates.

Kasich, Rubio, Eisenhower, Reagan: None of those were or are fine with over 100,000 dead Americans by presidential policy. Remember Benghazi? Republicans were incensed over FOUR dead Americans. They had to have endless investigations of Hillary, and their murder was not even her policy.

So I think Trump is in a unique class now. Or maybe he's going to end up with Stalin and other mass murderers in the history books. (I doubt Stalin ever shot anybody: It was his policies that killed them.)

It didn't have to be this way.

Well, nine to be exact.

Regardless, it isn't about to stop those who view themselves as Republicans and or Democrats from voting for their candidate 90% of the time, on average. Regardless of who that candidate is, regardless of what that candidate did or didn't do, you'll still have on average 90% of the party faithful voting for him.

In other words, you have approximately 60% of America voting for the letter behind a candidates name regardless of who that candidate is. The letter is all important to them, Be that a unique Trump, a Joe Biden, an Obama, a Romney, a McCain, a Bush either one, a Bill Clinton, Al Gore, whoever. The percentages hardly ever change and all are within a point or two of 90% one way or the other.

Maybe I shouldn't have included Bill Clinton because Perot, a well financed third party candidate screwed up the percentage there. But even with Perot, 18% of the vote in 1992 and 8% in 1996, the party faithful came close.

1992 Republicans 82% Bush, 13% Perot, 5% Clinton 1996 88% Dole, 5% Perot, 6% Clinton
1992 Democrats 85% Clinton, 11% Perot, 5% Bush 1996 89% Clinton, 4% Perot, 5% Dole.

So maybe I should have included Clinton. It was independents where Perot got most of his votes from. Independents 1992 45% Clinton, 30% Perot, 28% Bush 1996 50% Clinton, 17% Perot, 30% Dole.

The point being, only 5-6% of a major party's faithful are going to vote for the other major party's candidates even in 1992/96. Actually the highest vote for one party's faithful for the other party's candidate was 8% when both Trump and Hillary Clinton achieve that in 2016. The highest since 1984 that is when 26% of Democrats vote for Reagan. But that same year, only 7% of Republicans voted for Mondale. Since 1984 8% has been the high for a party's faithful voting for the other party's candidate.

Forgive me, I get numbers crazy at times. But for me, numbers explain a lot. Numbers may not tell me why 90% of each major party always vote for their party's candidate regardless of who it is, but they certainly tell me, they do in no uncertain terms.

We'll see, after the election. I suspect there will be a lot of Republicans who are so discouraged by the carnage, they won't risk their lives to go out and vote for more carnage. But, of course I'm usually wrong when I predict intelligent behavior.

It's certainly possible that a lot of Republicans might stay home. What exit polls show is the percentages of those who turned out. So perhaps I should say 90% of both major parties who turn out to vote, vote for their party's candidates.

Even though the Republican Party is the smaller of the two major parties, they have always had the higher percentage of their members/base turn out to vote than the Democrats. The higher voter participation percentage has always helped the Republican Party negate some of the advantage the Democrat's have in numbers or having the high party affiliation.

An example of this is in 2016, the Democrats had a 6 point advantage in party affiliation, but only a 3 point advantage among those who turned out and voted.

yes and no.

I think there is an implication that people would make rational choices (or irrational ones) based on ideology or agenda or philosophy, but that is not the case for any of the Trump supporters I know, and I know a lot of them. They hate Democrats at a personal level .... I mean hate .... I mean view them as incarnations of Satan hatred. When Mr Trump fills them with his fear mongering, they believe it as gospel. These folks are fully indoctrinated.

I have assumed you meant a belief in ideological differences but that is not the case with the people I know.

There's quite a lot of Democrats who have the identical view of Republicans. I wouldn't attempt to make to make a guess at the percentages of Democrats who hate Republicans and vice versa today. Democrats who hate anything Republican. But I can guarantee the percentages are growing in both parties. They have been rising ever since at least the 1990's.

The common group think is the other party is out to destroy America while only my party can save it. This is especially true with Trump. In general terms, Republicans think he's out to save American, Democrats think he's out to destroy America. Again, I could take a stab at the percentages of each party who believe that, but I don't have hard numbers to back it up.

This was also true when Obama was president, a certain amount of Republicans believed he was out to destroy America while most Democrats thought he was going to save her. This was to a lesser extent than today with Trump, but still the vitriol and hate for him was there. Again this was true for G.W. Bush among both party's faithful, but to a much lesser extent than for Trump and Obama.

You had a much lesser extent of Republicans who hated Bill Clinton, perhaps only because he beat G.H.W. Bush. The bimbo risings were just an excuse to bring that hate out into the open which led to impeachment. I always thought that hate strange, most folks liked Bill, he was a likable guy, a popular president. He had strong support for his policies and what he did as president.

Perhaps this hate is a partisan thing among each party's faithful. Let me say the hard core faithful. Perhaps it's always been there and all our new social media and sites like this one brings it all out into the forefront. Perhaps it a result of both major parties shrinking leaving only the hardcore partisans in each party with their no compromising attitude and hate for the other party. I really don't know, but as more and more moderates, the less ideological leave the parties, soon there will be nothing left but ideologues with hate for the other side.

I don't think Trump is the cause of this, just a symptom, perhaps an end results of a couple of decades or more of hate brewing for the other side which became stronger and stronger as both parties shrank leaving basically only the hard core ideologues in each.

There was a poll that went something like;
As a Republican what do you feel is more like you?
the Republican Party?
Donald Trump?
Something Else?

Donald Trump won in a landslide. This means, at least for now, that there is no Republican party to speak of. What there is, is the Trump party.

I know, its one poll and so what. The fact, however, that there was actually such a poll and so-called Republicans considered Trump to be that party says something.

Then there is the Lincoln Project. This was created by a bunch of anti-Trump Republicans who are not going to vote Republican because they simply don't believe that voting Republican would have anything to do with THEIR Republican party!

There are, in other words, Republicans but they have nothing to do with the currently called Republican party which has nothing to do with them and everything to do with Trump.

We live in very strange times. I think the closer on all of this is that Trump is actually working, very hard, to kill off his own supporters and they continue to support him!

Yep, very strange times indeed.