Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Politics In General There needs to be a ‘real reckoning’ for Trump’s abuses if Biden wins

True, but there is a huge coattails effect in Presidential elections. If Trump loses badly, it will take many of his Republican congressional supporters down with him. With congress and the Presidency, Democrats can actually pass laws to bring the Voting Rights Act back in a way the Supreme Court can't overturn, fix gerrymandering, enact a national ex-felon voting rights bill that negates the Florida fiasco, etc. We already have medical abortion pills by mail now in all 50 states, so the abortion issue is pretty much dead. Single-payer should have very wide support.

I think the demographic changes in America are going to be unleashed in 2021. Much thanks to Trump's excesses.

That's always the case.

You're not going to fix gerrymanders. Both parties do it. The democrats gerrymandered the heck out of Illinois and New York after the 2010 census and the Republicans out of Texas, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. The GOP screamed like a banshee on the gerrymandering of Illinois and New York. The Democrats did the same over Texas, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

Neither party is going to give away a political advantage. You'll see come the 2021 redistricting. Wait and watch.

now it only takes two-four years to reverse a drubbing in a presidential or any other election. After Goldwater's drubbing, the GOP picked up 36 house seats in 1966 and won the presidency in 1968. Heck, LBJ won by 22 points over Barry. More recently, Obama's 8 point win over McCain which left the Democrats in charge of the House by a 256-178 margin and a 60-40 senate until Teddy Kennedy's death which became a 59-41 advantage when Scott Brown won his seat. 2010 saw the GOP gain 63 House seats and 6 senate seats. Obama won reelection by 4 points, but lost the senate in 2014 and then the democrats the presidency in 2016. Two years after the Republican wins in 2016, they immediately lost 40 seats in the House and control.

I've made this prediction before, if the Democrats win the presidency, the senate and retain control of the house, be all powerful. They'll over reach, make independents angry at them and lose the house in 2022.

By the way, I don't visit political web sites, left or right. I don't watch late night political talk shows on Fox, CNN and MSNBC. I consider them all to be propaganda. What I do is go over the numerous polls I receive, look at what questions asked and how those polled responded. I look at the numbers of each category polled and if the poll was weighted or not. Then with the same or very similar questions I usually try to average them along with looking at who was polled as in all Adults, registered voters or likely voters. Then I take the margin of error in each poll into consideration. In the end, I tend to get a fairly accurate picture without listening or watching or going to any of the propaganda web sites, TV and radio shows.

And when neither party is willing to give up corruption then the courts must do it for them. Inroads are being made into having states divided equitably into sensible districts and making Gerrymandering a thing of the past.


Depends on what you call over-reach. Mitch McConnell is pretty sure that anything at all is over-reach. Right leaning independents agree.

If they get that awesome power in January of 2021 I hope the very first thing they do is raise the minimum wage to $15. With the economy in tatters it's an excellent time to build in a living wage.
Employee insurance should be mandated as well, and subsidized as necessary.

And suddenly they have over-reached, And I haven't even mentioned gun control or cuts to the military.

Democrats won't be allowed to actually DO anything, because anything at all is far too much. Then they will be called the DO NOTHING Democrats and once again Republicans will take charge and promise that this time trickle down economics will work.

If President Biden just cancels all of Trump's Executive Orders, and issues new ones Trump cancelled, then that goes a very long way to fixing things. Replacing all the agency leaders with competent experts who believe in their agencies agenda would make a big difference. Finally, just getting rid of Trump would reset a lot of our foreign relations overnight. We could be back on track in a month, with zero laws passed.

Then Biden could get on TV and social media and actually lead a pandemic effort with scientific expertise instead of BS. I predict a stunning economic resurgence once we get vaccines, so that's going to help.

I think you are right about the Voting Rights Act but that is one of many messes that need fixing. While they are at it, for instance, the Post Office really needs fixing Protect our Post Offices by getting rid of it and also bail it out. Then there is the 100+ changes in environmental stuff. I would also like to see national parks better supported and their costs to the public fixed so that even the poor can goto the park without spending 50.00 to get in and 25.00 a night to camp. National parks are for EVERYBODY!

I think getting rid of gerrymandering, at a federal level is dead. Its being left up to the states. Remember, California fixed theirs and that was under a Republican president (Swartznegger (probably spelled wrong).

I have written Biden and asked him to start talking about how he is going to 'fix' what Trump has wrought. All I hear are grand plans and the first things he should do is put the nation back together by fixing the messes.

Abortion is not dead. The problem is with young girls not taking any pills (they forget, don't know, think its sinful, etc)

It doesn't make any sense to protest at abortion clinics when every mailbox in America can deliver safe medical abortion at home.

As a trained mathematician I never met a number which had a pulse. I think that is the problem.

I was until recently I was in almost daily contact with many Trump supporters. I am surrounded by them, with their caps and flags and all the loud talk about Mr Trump being the greatest living human to have ever lived or died. I have yet to meet a Trump supporter which has never talked about the n&&&&r in the WH. Every single one of these folks believe, in a way you can not imagine since you apparently never see people, Democrats are the spawn of satan ... they hate Democrats with every fiber of their body.

I read more right wing editorials than left wing, to get a sense of what the "intelligentsia" is thinking. Neither left nor right understand the Trump supporters in my neighborhood. I get a kick out of left wing pundits telling me what Trump supporters are thinking. If they actually met one of the these critters, I suspect they would faint. I also really like reading right wing exposes of all the wrong doing by the FBI or the "deep state" and all the Democrats, especially from the Obama administration who are people waiting for an indictment. If these people had been in one of my math classes they would have been laughed out of class.

I would like to point out the obvious ... much as coins do not have a "memory" elections don't have a memory. Elections become weighted coins without a connection to previous elections.

Congress could end gerrymandering in a heart beat. They won't. Courts usually hesitate to get involved. But it has to be state courts in regards to what is state law or what the state constitution states. The SCOTUS has always kicked any ruling back to the state supreme courts to let their decision stand.

My solution has been a simple law passed by congress that requires the states to keep as many counties whole as possible. Example, if a state has 1, 2 or 3 representatives, then only one county can be divided. 4 or 5, perhaps six, two counties and so on. A few years ago I was able to do this with Georgia, 14 representatives using a stubby pencil and county population figures. I ended up having to divide just 7 out of our 159 counties. Just an idea.

I haven't the faintest idea of what issue would be over reaching, but I'm sure the people would let you know when it comes time. If the majority of the people are against whatever, then it constitutes over reaching.

As for numbers not having a pulse, true. But they tell you how many are for or oppose. What is popular and what isn't. What the people want and what they don't. Passing something that the majority of Americans don't want can have dire consequences. At least for the party in power.

Yeah, the numbers don't have a pulse, but the people who make up those numbers do. In our modern era of polarization and ultra high partisanship, don't look or even care what those of either party think or want. Most Republicans are going to be against anything Democratic, most Democrats against anything Republican. Look for the big group in the middle, find out what they think. That big group in the middle, independents. They swing back and forth, but will support anything they think that has merit. What they get angry at is something that takes them out of their comfort zone.

They'll rarely get angry at the party out of power. If indies like what the party in power is doing, they keep right on returning them. If they don't you have a wave election against the party in party such as happened in 1994, 2006, 2010 and 2018.