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You are right except when dealing with ignorant girls who get into trouble.

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I continue to believe that the Dems, if they win, should legislate the hell out of Trumps orders. Then, if they get in again (and they will) they will have to backout the legislation instead of leaving to to a president to just write more orders instead of backing it out (which is a lot more difficult)

Getting a little tired of presidents ruling by fiat. Also getting tired of temporary help skipping the senate entirely.

Can't resist. I also think that healthcare should be socialized, just like Police and Firemen. If Covid-19 has proven anything its that our healthcare is just not up to keeping the nation healthy. I think this is probably evident to just about everybody. I also don't think it can be addressed head on but Biden should be able to put something in that just begs to be socialized over time.

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Sure: Just adding a public option to ACA that is 15% cheaper for identical coverage is entirely possible. The overhead insurance companies can charge is 20%. Those same companies process all the Medicare claims for 5%. A public option could use the Medicare economics, so cost the insured 15% less.

Who wouldn't select to pay 15% less for identical ACA-mandated coverage, that actually uses the same doctors and medical groups? It evolves very quickly into single-payer.

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A Trump supporter. It's social-munism.



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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
It doesn't make any sense to protest at abortion clinics when every mailbox in America can deliver safe medical abortion at home.
I've always said that rightwingers don't think things through. Everything is knee-jerk with them.

Hmm


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The healthcare I would REALLY like to see is something akin to that which Taiwan has. Everybody who can pays in every month.
https://www.formosapost.com/healthcare-in-taiwan/
https://www.formosapost.com/pros-and-cons-of-universal-health-care/

When we start down the road to single payer hopefully gov will setup a group to study how its done, worldwide. Every nation seems to have their own solution. If we do go down that road hopefully we will pick and choose the best of them all. What I fear, however, is that gov will decide they know all they need to and then proceed to screw it all up (I lack faith, sorry......)

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Our health care system will evolve as it has always done and always done in other countries. Each country in the EU has a different flavor of universal health care that evolved out of their own unique circumstances.

I believe the way forward is building on Obama Care - pretty much what Biden is proposing. As PIA has pointed out, just adding a public option with a 5% overhead instead of 20% will eventually attract everyone who has to pay for the insurance. Eventually, they’ll convert an employee’s compensation that goes towards paying for insurance into a tax or “premium” for the public option policy.


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Originally Posted by Irked
Our health care system will evolve as it has always done and always done in other countries. Each country in the EU has a different flavor of universal health care that evolved out of their own unique circumstances.

I believe the way forward is building on Obama Care - pretty much what Biden is proposing. As PIA has pointed out, just adding a public option with a 5% overhead instead of 20% will eventually attract everyone who has to pay for the insurance. Eventually, they’ll convert an employee’s compensation that goes towards paying for insurance into a tax or “premium” for the public option policy.
It seems so simple... but one must wait for the Invisible Guiding Hand of Free Market Capitalism in order to get it just right!
(It has never been known to fail...)


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Perhaps if we all believe and wish it hard enough, that mystical, magical sky fairy will guide the invisible hand of free market capitalism to building a public option with low-overhead so that everyone can participate.

Please, please invisible, magical sky fairy...make it happen. We've been good. smile


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When this thread was started, I was very much against the prosecution of a President, any President. But with what has been going on in Portland and soon Chicago, Philadelphia, the birthplace of our Nation, and other cities, I am now thinking it may just be the thing to do and dam the fallout.



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