Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Politics In General Is it too soon to be talking 2020?

Us Get X'ers are the lost generations. Nobody has ever given us a second look.

What I hope the Democrats do, is to establish a job corps. They did it in the great depression and they could do it again. We are, right now, starting to creating millions of unemployed. A job corps would provide employment where there is none and not likely to have any for some time.

We really need to fix our infrastructure and that could be a start on that one. Remember Eisenhower, right after WWII started the trans-american highway. That was, and remains, the biggest expenditure in the history of the nation and that was started in the face of the debt from WWII and, I have been told, was responsible, at least in part, for fixing that debt.

Just saying............

And how are we supposed to pay for that? Would they be in direct competition with the prison workforce? Slave labor, by it's very nature is free. Paying these jobless poors to do the work that prisoners can do for less would be ridiculous. It would be like bringing jobs back from China!

Democrats will do no such thing. They didn't when Obama inherited the last jobs crisis and they won't this time. Perhaps America's biggest mistake is in thinking Democrats will do something about anything. Every time they get elected they do nothing then get beaten by Republicans for doing nothing.

ACA was the exact opposite of "doing nothing", and they lost congress because of it. So I doubt it works the way you claim.

Yeah, when jobs were first and foremost in people's minds, democrats delivered a health care bill that Republicans wrote, nobody liked, and it cost Democrats dearly. Perhaps you've noticed that people are still scrambling for healthcare? And that the ACA accomplished exactly nothing?

ACA and it's expanded Medicare program insured millions of people who could not afford it before, and essentially ended medical bankruptcies. People are still complaining about the high cost of medical care, but that not what ACA was about. Most of the people complaining can't explain how it could be improved, just like Trump. I've also discovered that most of those claiming they can't afford ACA coverage would be so subsidized, they would get it for free.

So all this stuff about Medicare for All is just hot air since ACA solved everything? And all those folks who just lost their insurance with their jobs just need to call ACA and they'll be covered?

It was a crappy bill that cost Democrats dearly. They should have been keeping people in their homes, providing safety nets during the great recession, and pushing a jobs bill rather than bailing out bankers and billionaires and forcing a crappy healthcare bill down everyone's throat. The backlash was severe and the end product flawed.

I think we could effectively blame the ACA for the circumstances that got us Donald Trump. It just wasn't worth it.

XGen never deserved a second look. Boomer mini mes. Every karen everywhere is xGen.

Numbers comparison 2016 to 2020 on 17 August using RCP averages.
2016 Clinton 43.5%, Trump 37.3%, third party 11.4%, undecided 7.8%
2020 Biden 49.8%, Trump 42.3%, third party 4.0%, undecided 3.9%

Roughly, Biden is up by 6 over where Clinton stood back in 2016, Trump is up by 5 from where he stood in 2016. Third Party down by 7 and undecided’s down by 4. Unlike 2016, a lot more folks have made up their minds on who to vote for this year. There isn’t that big pool of voters in the third party/undecided column, 19.2% for Trump to pull from to overcome Biden’s 7.5-point lead, only 7.9% as of today in the third party/undecided column. In 2016 Trump had a pool of roughly 19% to pull from to overcome Clinton 6-point lead, this year that pool is 8% to overcome a 7.5-point Biden lead. That in my opinion is the huge difference between 2016 and 2020.

This has nothing to do with the horse race numbers, Clinton’s 6-point lead vs. Biden’s 7. It has everything to do with the pool, the number left to overcome those lead. For me, the most important numbers are 19.2 vs 7.9. In 2016 Trump didn’t need to switch one Hillary supporter to his side, he had that huge pool of 19.2 to draw from. In 2020, Trump needs to change some Biden supporters’ minds, he needs to convince them to jump from Biden to him as his pool of third party/undecided’s isn’t big enough without Trump swaying some Biden supporters away from him. This he didn’t need to do with Clinton supporters in 2016. Which made making up the deficit much easier and more doable. It will be much harder this year, maybe, just maybe depending on what happens between now and election day, maybe not doable at all. Time will tell.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html

Comparing the all important independent vote.

Independents
2016 Clinton 32%, Trump 37%, Johnson 8%, Stein 5%, (total third-party vote 13%) undecided 17%
2020 Biden 39%, Trump 38%, third party 10%, undecided 12%

Independents Biden 7 point better than Clinton, Trump a plus one point from 2016, third party, down 3 points, undecided down 5 points.