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That's because it doesn't exist yet. That would require legislators to write laws and legislate. Something they seem to have lost sight of over the years.
Until then we can only speculate what form it might take.

Ahh! That makes sense. You know I just got a chuckle thinking about that. All these pollsters asking about whether you favor or oppose MFA really don't have an idea what MFA is or what form it will take along with those answering the question who also have no idea. Glad to know I'm not alone.

You can see the grand divide between Republicans and Democrats on this in the pew research link. Which basically neither one knows knows exactly what they're supporting or opposing because it hasn't taken shape yet.

Like so many other issues or legislation, ideas, who proposes it decides the majority of the two parties stances. Anything Democratic is opposed by Republicans and anything Republican opposed by Democrats. Whatever happened to taking these things based on the merits of the proposal instead of who proposed it?

Thanks for your answer. I never thought of that.

Here’s the bill.

S.1129 - Medicare for All Act of 2019

It was a big topic of debate between the progressive candidate, the author of the bill, and the rest of the neoliberal candidates in the Democratic primary held in the United States. Some candidates offered token support, most candidates equivocated or aligned with the industry’s current system of for profit health services

There have been many good research publications showing how the current system produces thousands of unnecessary premature deaths, bankruptcies and poor outcomes while extracting twice the costs per patient as our peer countries.

Those are secondary concerns for some. Political ideology and identifying with Ruling class interest have blunted their curiosity to its proposals.

It was scored by various interest parties beyond CBO. Most notably By the Koch sponsored Mercatus Center examination that found it saved 2 trillion over 10 years.

Asterix aplenty and caveats as well, they confirmed it would shave 2 trillion with 38 trillion projected spending over 10 years.

Some will drop their monacles at the cost others will gas light over it. None these types really knows how much Americans would spend over that time frame under current arrangements.

It would also have the additional benefit of relieving fear and debt off the public’s back and freeing those resources from medical debt to productive economy spending.

My congressman has a medical debt collections company he runs out of the building his property management company owns that his congressional district office rents space next door to.

No, he’s not in favor of M4A. That’s big government.
Yes, he voted on the CARES act that gave 5 trillion dollars to the equity money markets, back stopped the ETF funds, transferred bad debt From liquidity markets onto the government books, etc..

He’s doing the right wing ‘man of the working class’ schtick. It works too.

Apparently, it’s not socialism, or confusing or hard to understand when government socializes losses of private capitol markets and the small minority of people that benefit from this arrangement.

M4A, on the other hand, is socialist (FUSW) confusing and government intrusion by these same people, the media they control, and the people who identify with their interest and repeat their propaganda. A survival instinct for the latter, I’m guessing.

Like I said...M4A does not yet exist. Sander's bill was introduced, sent to committee, and died.

It was like one of those Detroit concept cars...a look at the possible future of healthcare...but not ready yet for production.

Sanders' bill would be great, but we will be lucky to get a Public Option and Medicare Expansion passed, unless Democrats can take more seats in the Senate. Maybe in 2022.

It's not me, other centrists on this board, Democrats in congress, or the DNC. It's how the voters voted.

We'll most likely get nothing. Because that's the way our government works. If you aint rich you don't get jack sh*t.

When was the last time ANY Republican proposed ANYTHING that might serve to help the common working American?

That's what happened. Democrats at least pretended to be helping the working class while shoveling money to the 1%.

This claim rates Three Pinocchios

As the Author pointed out here: Even Doubling Taxes Wouldn’t Pay for ‘Medicare for All', that figure can only be arrived at if you assume - as Bernie did - that all providers will take a 40% cut in pay without reducing services, which he described as unlikely.

...Some have seized on a scenario in my estimates showing a slight decline in projected total public and private health expenditures under Medicare for All. But that decline, relative to current projections, relies on an assumption that Medicare for All would immediately and dramatically cut provider payment rates by roughly 40%. Without such cuts, Medicare for All would drive national health costs further upward, and the federal price tag would be $38 trillion during its first 10 years.



In the fourth sentence of the report’s abstract, Blahous wrote, “It is likely that the actual cost of M4A would be substantially greater than these estimates, which assume significant administrative and drug cost savings under the plan, and also assume that healthcare providers operating under M4A will be reimbursed at rates more than 40 percent lower than those currently paid by private health insurance...


So, if by "Caveats" you mean "Also, this isn't going to happen", sure. Also, if a fleet of space unicorns show up and begin pooping mint chocolate hershey's kisses all over, we will have more mint chocolate hershey's kisses. It's just not what you would call "likely".

Weird how Rightwingers think that having a presence on social media is a Right, but having healthcare isn't.

Neither healthcare nor a page or presence on someone else's platform is a Right. Rights are negative in nature, not positive.