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That's the reason they eventually abandoned the futile effort to form a government.

No argument from me on that.

Now...in a nation of, by, and for the people...

When we discus "the general welfare of the nation", just who exactly are we talking about?

Billionaires? The Trump Family? Republicans only? Corporate interests only? Or perhaps all of the people who make up the nation?

I would suggest that folks be careful about dinking with the constitution. If we are not very careful we could end up with a constitutional convention and this is, I think, terrifying. Imagine, for just a minute, what would happen should something like occur. My thought is that determination of delegates alone should scare the hell out of everybody. I can see it now. The Democrats start with a big battle over who should be a delegate that represents each little dedicated group of purists and then moves up the chain. Whilst this is going on the Republicans, acting as one huge block choose those who 'deserve' the chance to "make things right" (and who they are told are those chosen by their dear leader). Consider, for just a moment what we would end up with.

Just a thought..........

The ReTHUGS need 38 state legislators to control to do a convention.

Since when do ReTHUGliclowns care about the average American?

That symposium was a long time ago. It was my understanding that the general welfare meant the nation as a whole. What makes up the nation, first it was a union of the several states which each have people in them. The gist was keeping the nation on sound financial grounds, securing and defending the nation, pretty much anything you can think of dealing with the nation as a whole. Not just parts of it.

Those were different days, the framers certainly looked at things different than we do today. The nation was for the most part an agrarian society, not highly industrialized, outside of a few cities, not urban. If one couldn't make it in the east, all he had to do is move west to where there was plenty of land available. This is no longer the case. Our society today is urban and suburban. Even the family farm is a thing of the past replaced by corporate farming.

So we have to look at things different. The framers knew things would change and they provided a means to change the constitution, via the amendment which we have had 26 of them.

I do think when the Constitution was written, when the preamble provided the introduction to it, the phrase general welfare applied to the nation as a whole. It was expected back then the states would take care of their own people. Back then when as were one came from, the reply was the state, New York, Virginia, Georgia, etc. I guess I'm off on a tangent, but in today's day and age, the federal government has taken over the responsibility for the people from the states, so whether the framers mean the nation or the people, that seems irrelevant.

Back then, it was just the nation as a whole. Today, it's everyone and everybody.

That's exactly my point, Rick, the conservative mind slips right over "the People" and goes right to "the Nation" as if it is some separate entity that lives only in the hearts of true American patriots.

The ones that get butthurt when you kneel when a certain song plays.

The song that glorifies war and revolution.

**Edit**and deifies a flag.

Everyone and everybody has the same rights.

They have the same basic needs.

Healthcare costs have only become an issue the last few decades. Most nations have realized that the costs needed to be socialized. The US is taking longer than most but will eventually follow suit.

Whatever conservatives are against is what will eventually happen. They're batting 1000 as far as being on the wrong side of history.

On the contrary - collectivism is, in this country at least, a far more common leftist failing. It wasn't American conservatives who were the proponents of Organic State Theory, or its variations it was Progressives.


I'm not aware of any portion of the Anthem that deifies any flat. Could you point to the section that attributes any of the characteristics of the Godhead to the Flag? Would be interested in seeing what I missed.

Cute, but we have their writings that explain their thinking on the question at length. What I pointed out is about as controversial as "Water is Wet".