Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Campaign 2020 A Lot Went Wrong for Democrats on Election Night

I noticed the fund raising success, purpose built to lose, Amy McGrath will be heading to Georgia to co-ordinate PAC money in the runoff senate elections.

Robby Mook, having stopped the progressive left declaring victory in Iowa (with co-ordination of the Office Rat) was doing the same for the 2020 congressional races.

Why, it's almost as though there's victory in losing. What would that be I wonder?

Fox news viewers are in favor of a govt. run health care system with a recent exit poll on election night Rick.

Biden represents the Dem party. Biden has stated he will veto any policy proposal in that direction of public health.

I can make more critiques like that. Which of the 'official' party planks would you like to go after?

Minimum wage?
War?
Environment?

Be specific Rick...

As well he probably should: Everybody saw what happened to Obama after ACA. If Biden gets control of the Senate and then uses it to ram a vastly different healthcare system through congress with zero Republican votes, he probably would lose the House and Senate in 2022. If he makes a more subtle change, like adding a public option to ACA and fixing the ridiculous Medicaid/ACA income gap, he gets to keep congress working with him.

I'm not saying Bernie's MFA, or any single-payer system, would not be better than ACA. It would be, and much cheaper. I'm just thinking about what I want the future political climate to be. It would be nice if all of Trump's rabid base would drop dead from Covid complications, or decide to boycott elections, but that's not going to happen. Most of those idiots will be voting again in 2022, 2024, 2026, etc. So short of rounding them up for reeducation camps, or dosing Red State water supplies with anti-psychotic drugs, we have to live with them.

I think it would be better to talk about costs and outcomes when it comes to healthcare. If they do that, constantly and without letup they just might make a point. I don't think that the Repubicans want to have that kind of battle fiscal responsibility and lousy outcomes when measured against what they rest of the developed world gets. There are, incidentally, people going up to Canada to get stuff done because their outcomes are better and their services, even if you are not canadian are much cheaper than in the united states.

Basically, if the Republicans want to fight, and that is the basis, then they would also be fighting for higher prices and worse outcomes. Not a real good place to be, I think.

I think this would also be an exercise in explaining the ongoing failures of our own system. We have, right now, the makings of a really serious collapse of our existing healthcare and costs are just the beginning, there is also greed, especially by equipment manufacturers and drug manufacturers. If nothing else warnings should be talked about - right now.

Its strange, I actually think there is a way if people are careful and do it right. The hard part, I fear, is getting everybody on board and explaining that they can screw it all up by continuously asking for 'free' whatever, for instance.

Imagine having this instead of a $740,000,000,000 budget.

There was a a big financial meltdown that led to millions losing there jobs and houses. Stop making the Dem losses all about the ACA. It wasn’t no matter how hard the health insurance, pharma and hospital lobbies would like everyone to believe it.
Your memory is a tad selective.

Again, M4A has broad popular support. It doesn’t have means testing. Something the meritocracy won’t abide.

Congress(and Obama) addressed healthcare when Americans wanted them to fix the economy and get them back to work.

Congress(and Obama) bailed out big business and left the average American to fend for himself during an historical recession.

So it certainly was not all about the ACA.

It was mostly because Obama was Black.

Obama instituted the longest economic increase in the history of the nation! He, basically, did everything that was expected of him. Not only that but he also, at least, made a run at fixing our healthcare system. We should also remember that he did that in spite of the Republicans owning congress and publicly, and proudly, stating that they wouldn't allow ANY Obama legislation to pass! There is also some agreement that Obamas economy was responsible for what Trump is claiming as 'his' economy.

Remember also that Obama tried to make medicare an option of the ACA but was stopped BY THE DEMOCRATS!

Oh, the big business thing. Big business always gets taken care of. This isn't a Democratic OR Republican thing. What it is, really, is an indication of who owns the congress. I remember when I was traveling and somebody asked me a question about American Politics and bribery. I referred them to the site "opensecrets.org". The next day the guy said to me; "The United States seems to have codified bribery!" - he was right! (it was in India or China, I think)

We don't need conspiracies as we have facts and there are no secrets. What we do have is an ignorant, not give a damn, voting public that continue to support those who would govern us, and lie, and cheat and steal with impunity. I guess truths are kinda boring.

That economic increase was not equally distributed. A look at the Fed labor share would support that claim. It’s why wealth inequality has widened.
His run at healthcare reform was seen by many as an industry giveaway and a blown opportunity to lead when given super majorities to do so.

He expanded our imperialist wars in Syria, Libya and Yemen, refused to break up banks or punish the criminality associated with same. Broke his commitment to public financing and turned to generous wall st. funding of his 2012 campaign.

The man wasn’t perfect. His presidency has come under more critical scrutiny in recent years and has the ire of the Sanders wing for interfering in the primary election.

I think he deserves the title of ‘the pretender’. I’m not unaware that his breaking the color barrier was important to many of the older generations. Something seen as progress to them and understandable but he represented little else in terms of issues noted above, IMO.