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That's the problem with most conspiracies: They just take so many people "being part of it" that a non-delusional person would conclude it was impossible to keep it secret. True believers seem to think all those perpetrators are so dedicated there isn't one who is a human being: That is has doubts, feels guilty, talks to their spouse or friend, gets drunk and brags about it, etc. In the real world, any secret known by more than one person gets out. This is basic human nature. Telling somebody "secrets" is how we bond with them.
The election fraud conspiracy would take thousands (10s of thousands?) of conspirators, all acting in concert, all keeping many secrets. Believing it requires denial of reality to the point of psychosis. I'm afraid we are going to end up with millions of people who need psychiatric intervention.
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It is my fond hope that Biden does investigate Trump - just not talk about that and deny any and all Trump investigations. If they find something then they can claim it fell into their laps and they were bound, by the law, to do something about it. I also, incidentally, believe Trump to be a criminal enterprise and also believe that they WILL find something.
I tend to doubt it, however. Biden is already saying that an investigation into Trump doings would not be a really good idea. I say, "fine" then stop talking about it and just let it happen! I can't even figure out why he would even talk about it! Just stirs the pot for absolutely no sensible reason.
My main fear is that what we are watching, in slow time, is the Democratic party beginning to work hard on their own failure. Trump has been investigating just about any Democrat he thinks he can go after and he does that publicly and his minions and true believers thinks he is doing a wonderful job. That being the case I would expect the Democrats would, at the very least, make sure that Trump has been on the up and up and, if not, hammer the crap out of him. I am praying that Biden doesn't take a leaf out of the Hillary book and just stand above the fray and never fight back or say a mean thing. That didn't work well for her and it sure as hell won't work real good for Biden. I fully expect, incidentally, that Trump is going to be constantly accusing the Dems of everything they can think of.
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3 1/2 years of phony Russia conspiracies by congress and senate seems to be conveniently omitted here. Oh wait.. those aren’t conspiracies when team Coke is alleging them.
Forgot that
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The GSA will fund the Biden Transition Team. Orange Fatass has no path to 270. 
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3 1/2 years of phony Russia conspiracies by congress and senate seems to be conveniently omitted here. Oh wait.. those aren’t conspiracies when team Coke is alleging them.
Forgot that Donald Trump was revealed by special counsel Robert Mueller to have actively sought the Russian government’s assistance during the 2016 election. Despite Trump, his sycophants, and Bill Barr's claims to the contrary, it is clear that the Trump campaign was eager to work with the Russian government in 2016. Mueller's report showed the degree and depth of the Russian active measures, propaganda, and intelligence warfare efforts which allowed Trump’s 2016 victory over Hillary Clinton. Simply because Congress chose not to pursue Trump's crimes, doesn't mean they did not happen.
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gee ... perhaps you did not get the memo. The Russia investigation was predicated on perception of possible national security risk. No one alleged a conspiracy. People who are concerned about America had to ask the question, is there something going on between Trump campaign and Russia? I would have asked the same question if Sec Clinton was surrounded by Russians and had contacts with Assange, Russian agents, and dirt mongers.
That Mueller did not find ENOUGH evidence of criminal activity is still disconcerting.
Based on your lack of concern, I would have to conclude if PE Biden were found to have all manner of Chinese contacts running around, you would say nothing. Is that your story???
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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That Mueller did not find ENOUGH evidence of criminal activity is still disconcerting. And Republicans are currently finding it disconcerting that Trump has not found ENOUGH evidence of election fraud. I submit that Russiagate was blown all out of proportion if not a complete fabrication from the start.
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My story was to look at it from all angles over time and realized it was a bogus story that helped in several ways, none of them good, IMO. I’m familiar enough with the Trump families history to see them for what they are and it should be enough for most. Going down spook rabbit hole narratives and coming out the other side as divorced from critical thinking as any QAnon string diagram is now what we have for many on team blue. And now they show contempt at Trumps supporters not believing Bidens election is legitimate (and neither do I but for much different reasons) You’ve committed to the bit. I doubt your coming back anytime soon. You’ll be cheering Biden on when they try and move missile systems into the Ukraine, accelerating the nuclear arms race where Obama left off. To the cheers of the intelligence and war contracting community. Sorry, Russiagaters got played in a similar way to Trumps supporters, IMO.
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Your post reminded me of the Iraq WMD fantasy. Remember when Blair was being grilled about having found none after invading and did he commit troops and violence under false pretenses? What was his response again? That the absence of finding any weapons points to the sophistication and deviousness of a weapons program existing... You may have reached that mental state now.
Sure sold a lot of military material though. Too bad about the hundreds of thousands of dead innocent Iraqis.. whoopsie!
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Ol' Joe is going to make Janet Yellen SecTres...just like the progressives wanted. 
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