Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues The Trump Administration Post-Election Mischief

Of course Biden will be seated. He was chosen in a most illiberal way but chosen none the less. I don't see the point in denying that. Now were on to who's interest he's going to serve. His cabinet is speaking volumes now.

I don't recall anyone yelling for a dixiecrat from Delaware in the primary (cept maybe Rick) and after a party insiders decision to collapse the field of candidates to Biden (not even third IIRC at the time, a historic first we never talk about) to the preferred party chosen candidate is a poor example of the will of voters being freely exercised in the selection process.

To be honest, I don't know if Rick is pulling my leg with Yellen's progressive bona fides. I was just curious to know where the progressive chorus of 'Yellen for Treasury' was coming from. Fox business reporting has the inside track on progressive politics apparently...

I think were in uncharted waters here, IMO. There's been savage capitalism in the past that had some of the more harshest edges sanded down by the New Deal coalition efforts. I don't think there's any equivalent to forming those coalitions today.

There's never been a more propagandized society than ours currently is. More atomized, etc... Now were in a corporate censorship phase with Liberals leading the way.


I just don't see any of the necessary conditions to form organized pressure on current government capture.

The idea that change thru electoral process is a nonstarter for me. Nothing makes government change without outside pressure and Biden is a refutation of any organizing for reform that we've seen at the grass roots level. I've never seen the ownership class in as strong a position, historically speaking, as they are today.

Some will ally themselves with the bosses. There doing alot of discounting of the problems, IMO. Nothing new.

I don't stop helping but I'm not encouraged with the present situation.

What you got?

Let me correct that for ya. He hasn't found any evidence. I keep hoping he will find some so he doesn't look so idiotic, deranged and delusional, but no such luck. I am holding out for Sydney Powell to concoct a more elaborate conspiracy, one more believable ... something like space aliens hated Mr Trump and zapped voting machines

It was not a fabrication the Trump campaign mingled with Russians. They had direct contact with Assange, who has contact with Russian agents. A campaign clown got drunk and spilled the beans ... the Russians have the Clinton's emails (so he was told ... by Russians? ... space aliens? .... voices in his head?).

The predication for the investigation is based on the question, with all the Russians in the campaign, does Mr Trump pose a national security threat, especially when told of potential contact with Russian agents? If you can not see the risk, then I am glad you are not in charge of counter espionage.

It’s an interesting moment in politics to watch the authoritarian nature of liberalism jump to the front.

It’s kinda scary to see how easy it is to get them to abandon, not only the concept of whistle blowing, but the 1st (for a reason) amendment itself,

The near complete blackout of the persecution of Assange by our by our now ‘news as entertainment’/political endorsing media of the state department, thru consecutive administrations, for publishing evidence of the obvious falsehoods and atrocities committed by our government and military, is shocking.

Watching them side with the same organizations that lied us into war, killing hundreds of thousands has removed all doubt for me of this sad class of people and it’d convictions.

I simply don’t see any. Only a similar thirst for revenge and willingness to suspend critical thinking.

I don't think yellin' will have much of an effect...

My approach is summed up in my signature line.

One new model is built around highly distributed and sustainable biochar production and use. It's deep in possibilities both practical and philosophical. Trick 'em into a better culture.

Besides that, I think our resident Zen Druid has the line on what's most doable - sit back, relax, and marvel at the insane weirdness of humanity.

The campaign included a lot of world players in the money game. Russia, China, Azerbaijan, you name it, wherever money could be skimmed and pocketed. In and of itself, not illegal.

Most of the convictions came for lying to the investigators. The only charge against Trump was obstructing the investigation. Buncha Republicans lying to Republicans about Republican stuff.


American voters were well aware of Donald Trump's storied and troubled past. Of his many wives, sister wives, and daughter wives. Of his many affairs with hookers, his connections to syndicated crime, his fathers crimes and his grandfathers crimes.

They were aware of his connections to Russia, His daughter's connections to China and his cozy relationship Japan. They knew he was a sleazy, dishonest assh*le and a failure as a legitimate businessman.

And in 2016 with a deficit of some 3 Million votes, he was elected President of the United States of America.

If not for the pandemic he would likely have been elected to a second term.

The voters were well aware of everything about Trump.

This was an historical election as far as turnout was concerned with both men receiving record numbers of votes. Biden won, just as I said he would when you said it was too early to call.

70 million Americans said that they didn't think his record showed him to be a security risk.

They wanted four more years and they wanted to elect Ivanka the first woman president after his next term.

You and I, Mr. Porter, we don't understand it.

People are people. The two parties are not so very different. Black people and white people are not so very different. Oil and water are not are not much different....

Folks over on the very far left aint so much different themselves.

I think one fails to understand that 2016 was just as much about Hillary Clinton as it was about Trump or the dislike of both. The nomination of both left many Americans scratching their heads, surely think the nomination process was broke.

25% of all Americans disliked and didn't want neither Trump nor Clinton to become the next president. That included an astounding 54% of all independents.

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/pol...ans-dislike-presidential-candidates.aspx

In the end, 12% of independents, 6% of all those who voted in 2016 choose to punt on choosing between those two. Instead deciding to vote against both Trump and Clinton by voting third party. That came out to 9 plus million voters.

Hillary lost the independent. I think this time around a lot of Democrats considered that fact when they chose Biden. Definitely not the one the progressive wing wanted. But one that was a much safer choice to win and to be able to attract independents. Which Biden did, winning them 54-41 over Trump instead of losing them. Third party vote in 2020 was in the more normal range of 2% instead of 6 while 5% of independents this year voted third party instead of 12%. most of that difference went to Biden.

You can also tell by the difference in favorable/unfavorable of the candidates by America as a whole. Trump in 2016 36% favorable/ 60% unfavorable, Trump in 2020 43% favorable/56% unfavorable. A slight improvement. Clinton in 2016 was seen 38% favorable/56% unfavorable. Two very unfavorable and dislike candidates. In 2020, Biden 52% favorable/46% unfavorable.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/nzc8dt85gn/econTabReport.pdf

I expected Biden to win by more than 4 points, but that all depends on turnout and who turns out. I also expected, was darn right sure Biden would return Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin back to being blue. He also added Georgia and Arizona. Those were 50-50 in my book.

So the presidential election went as I expected it too. What was a surprise was the GOP success down ballot. One thing is for sure, the democrats still haven't realized how much Hillary was disliked in 2016 and it seems the Republicans haven't come to terms how much Trump was disliked this year. It's all in the numbers.

I would remind you that Biden sucked gas until South Carolina where the well financed 2nd and 3rd place candidates at that time, in terms of delegates, dropped out simultaneously to back his losing campaign. Extremely unusual party assist for a ‘safe bet’. Don’t recall that level of party interference before.

There was a lot of unusual assist going on before S.T., too.

I mention this only as an inconvenient reminder as the coronation of the Dem parties restoration candidate ascends the throne and the media courtiers start in on the public narratives that fit with their agenda.

I actually think there was a lot more interference in 2016 on Hillary's behalf. I also think a lot of Democrats put their preferred candidate aside and went for Biden during the primaries because he had the best chance of beating Trump. Beating Trump became the number one priority.

Looking back, I also don't think any other candidate could have beaten Trump. Of course there's no way to prove that as it didn't happen. Biden was simply more acceptable to that large group of non-affiliates known as independents. No national candidate these days can win without them. It was the independent vote that defeated Hillary, it was the independent vote that defeated Trump.

We have moved into an era where both major parties need to ascertain who can win and place that above ideology at times or lose the election.The independent vote who gave Biden his wins in Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and it was the independent vote in 2016 which gave those states to Trump.