Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues The Trump Administration Post-Election Mischief

As a poll guy, I’m surprised you don’t recall sanders doing better than the Dem parties candidate against Trump in both recent elections.
The independent vote is a tricky animal. It behaves very differently with income and regions in which they live.
I think the parties are more comfortable playing the politics of minimums. Offering the least to a minority of voters carries less risks to their donors.
If the Dem party really wanted large turnout majorities they could have put Warren or Sanders on the ticket with the deteriorating Biden. They went with identity politics instead with Harris. A candidate bringing no electoral votes with her and no inconvenient campaign planks. She didn’t bring any resulting bump in AA votes so from a tactical standpoint she was a dud. From a practical material standpoint to the doners though, she’s a major success.

Sure, Sanders was seen more positive in the primaries than either Clinton and Biden by independents. But other polls when asked if one would vote for a socialist which Trump and company would be running ads all over the place found on him being a socialist. Even from Sanders own mouth as he tells the world he is a Democratic Socialist. Only 45% of all Americans would even consider voting for a socialist.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/285563/socialism-atheism-political-liabilities.aspx

The polls from March and April are one thing. But how would this be received during the general, by independents in particular. Here are your Sander's polls.

https://dyn.realclearpolitics.com/e...eral_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html

Here are the Biden polls.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

If you compare them, Biden always does a bit better in March and April. I do think the general campaign would have driven Sanders numbers down when ads appearing of Sanders himself saying, "I'm a Democratic Socialist. Just my opinion.

Yep ... completely ignorance driven.

Like I have said for years, the American electorate is ignorant and stupid. Education is the only solution and I dare say a full 60% of Americans would choose to be ignorant rather than be educated.

I see Trump has pardoned Flynn. I guess nobody explained to him that pardoning your co-conspirators is a very bad idea, because they can then be forced to testify against you with no Fifth Amendment excuse. Should be interesting next year, when the new AG meets his obligation to convene Grand Juries to investigate evidence of crimes.

LOL, well, that brings to mind something else. On average we have 45% of the electorate or Americans who never bother to vote in presidential elections. They just don't care They don't pay one bit attention to politics, yet we're trying our darnest to get them to vote. These are totally uniformed and not caring folks.

A lot of political junkies complain about independents, swing voters. Who generally don't pay much if any attention to politics until a few weeks to a month prior to the election. Then they vote on charisma, on who looks presidential, who a family member or friend at work voted for or perhaps just flipped a coin.

Ignorance driven, but isn't what one considers ignorance is a voter voting against your candidate? Everyone who votes has their reason for voting the way they do, their reason is important to them. Other may think their reason is asinine, wrong, foolish or whatever. Nevertheless, their reason was important to them, important enough for them to get out and vote.

I wonder if the record turnout is a product of Trump, or a product of all this mail-in voting. Maybe both? Mailing in a ballot sure takes a lot less time and effort. It will be interesting to see if, as Trump predicted, "a Republican never gets elected again". Or if the long-lasting trauma associated with Covid-19, versus an end to the lockdowns and economic recovery associated with Biden will keep Republican Presidents out of power for a while.

Record turnout, probably a bit of both. Getting rid of Trump and mail in ballots.

Here's a list of past turnouts.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/voter-turnout-in-presidential-elections

And so it will become customary for all outgoing presidents to be investigated and jailed for supposed crimes. "Lock Them Up" will become a new American tradition.

If Biden wants to heal and reunite Americans he will pardon Trump of all Federal and State crimes. That would put a stop to a lot of violent rhetoric and hate, and take the wind out of the sails of the radical right.

Pero, I tolja a while back this election was gonna be 100% about turnout. Both sides knew it and both sides did their damndest to get out and vote or mail in their votes. I was surprised at the number of Trump supporters, and honestly believed the anti-Trump vote would overwhelm them.

The rejection of down ballot Democrats was a surprise too. And not a happy one for me. I thought American voters were ready to spin the wheel to the left. Bernie's early ascension seemed to point to this, so I'm going to chalk the weird election results up to the Trump Kool-Aid.

A Presidential Pardon does not apply to State Charges. The State's governor can pardon for state crimes. With how Governor Cuomo and the state of New York have been treated, I do not think that a state pardon is forth coming from New York.

President-elect Biden has already said he will take no action to interfere with any investigation as it may relate to President Donald (...) Trump*

Biden hopes to avoid divisive Trump investigations, ...

*Impeached