Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues The Trump Administration Post-Election Mischief

Throwing in some context.

Biden’s poll numbers had widest amplitude of any Dem candidate.

Sanders had consistent rise over time of any candidate.

Taking a snapshot at any particular time means nothing in explaining outcomes. March was very chaotic and had distortions.

For me, the giveaway was the Dem party intervening to kneecap the Sanders campaign on Super Tuesday. They were aware of the risk he represented and didn’t take comfort in any polls you might reference now. I remember quit well the neoliberal boomer freak out from the blue check juorno’s and politicos at the time.

Funny enough, there was a poll out recently that claimed 2/3 of Biden voters were voting against Trump and not for Biden. Kinda supports the earlier data that Biden had no strong base and merely represented a protest vote for most.

Fearing Red baiting from republicans In the general is moot. You have no idea how Sanders would have done in the election. Again, crowd size and individual donations would be a better guide here than polling as it exists. Sanders crushed it. Biden’s was nonexistent.

But this is all a false frame anyways.

Divining the ‘will of the people’ by only offering them Coke or Pepsi and then suggesting people only want coke or Pepsi is simply self reenforcing logic. Convenient but misleading.

Trump made a funny joke at the debates that Biden couldn’t fill a room if he paid people. It was funny cuz it was true. Who you gunna believe polls or your own lying eyes. Democrats showing the will and ability to rig elections does not help their cause to legitimately claim to govern and I can’t blame Trump voters for not believing the results of the election.

I basically thought the same. Somewhere along 54-45 Biden with the normal 1% voting third party. In the end though, getting rid of Trump seems to be main reason for Biden's victory. 51-47 isn't bad with a 6 million vote advantage. I really didn't think Trump would or could improve on the 46% he received in 2016. Regardless, it still boils down to independents going overwhelming for Biden, 54-41 in my book is overwhelming.

Not so overwhelming was the down ballot offices. House, the Republicans had 26 open seats, the Democrats 9. No incumbent running in those districts. The GOP at last count received 48.4% of the nationwide popular vote to the Democrats 49.8%. The GOP so far has a net gain of 10 seats, flipping 13 Democratic seats to the Democrats flipping 3 GOP seats. The tally so far is Democrats 222, Republicans 209 with 4 still to be decided. Last election 236 Democrats, 199 Republicans. Of the four remaining, the Democrats are favored in 3, the Republicans in 1. They must be real close, it's taking a real long time to decide. The number of open seats is interesting as they are the easiest to flip. Yet the Democrats failed miserably.

But the Democratic congressional candidates did edge out the Republican congressional candidates in the nationwide popular vote. By a slim 1.4%, vs Biden's 4 point win. The Republican senate candidates won the nationwide popular vote 48.1% to 46.0%. But that only included 33 states, not the whole nation.

So Biden out performed Democratic congressional candidates by 2.6 points. That translate into 4 million votes that Biden received more than the congressional Democratic candidate.

I think this election was no breakwater or breakthrough. It was just a rejection of Trump while at least voting the status quo down ballot. It wasn't an endorsement or a rejection of either major party's ideals, agenda or policies. It was no mandate. It was all about Trump. It wasn't a movement left nor right or toward Sanders policies or a more progressive agenda. If that was true, with 26 open seats for the GOP vs. 9 for the democrats, they surely would have gained 10-15 seats, gained the senate without Georgia as forecasted. The Democrats were supposed to pick up not only Arizona and Colorado, but Maine, North Carolina and Iowa which they lost. Both Georgia races were rated pure tossups. 50-50. If this election was an endorsement of Progressive ideals, they would have picked up state legislatures instead of losing two and picked up a governor or two instead of losing one.

But each of us can look at this election and come to different conclusions. For me, it was just about Trump, no more, no less.

Hmmm..

That’s not the way I saw it, I think I posted soon after the more progressive leftists had mor scalps on the war post than the right wing Dems.

They increased their numbers in congress, state houses and mayorships. The ‘Squad’ fought off right wing dem challengers ( officially sanctioned and not the reversal under DNC rules) And held their seats.

Swing district voters voted for Dems backing GND, Minimum wage and M4A and sent conservative Dems packing.

Joe Biden has all the enthusiasm of a glass of room temperature water with a soaked in ring stain in the wood. Most people I spoke with could not articulate what his platform was besides the ‘he’s better than Trump’ mantra.

As usual, I take the position that he’s not and I’m some ways far worse.

A website for a little post/pre-election mischief/humor at President Donald (...) Trumps* expense.

https://donaldjtrump2024.com/

*Impeached

How exactly do you intend on forcing them to testify??? Waterboarding them is my choice but I don't think courts like all that drama in the courtroom.

Bottom line is no one can be FORCED to testify. All they have to say is ... I don't remember ... I have no recollection ... etc etc

ahhh .... you don't understand what ignorance is.

I like to start with .... the definition


Note the omission of what I believe or think about why anyone who votes and who doesn't vote for a particular person. Ignorance is what it is. Now I can't help it if a huge chuck of Trump supporters and voters fit the definition. For the most, knowing so many as I do, they choose ignorance over knowledge ergo an ignorant electorate. Please note this does not in any way imply all liberals or Biden voters are not ignorant. The difference is there are far more on the Trump side of the scales than on the Biden side.

I wonder where delusional fits in this equation? Note the number of delusional people who are Trump supporters promoting a coup to overturn an election based on insinuation and allegations rather than presentation of factually proven rampant voter fraud. I don't believe these folks are fabricating or concocting some elaborate ruse knowing full well there is no basis for the allegations other than fevered imaginations stepped in delusion. They actually believe their delusions.

Unless New York's governor is struck by lightening on the Damascus road, and suddenly converts to Trumpism, New York is going to indict him. Why do you think Trump fled New York after his whole life there, and moved to Florida? I suppose Trump could fight extradition and stay in exile in Florida, with the support of Florida officials, but that's pretty unlikely.

And I doubt New York indicting and even imprisoning Trump will generate much of a backlash against Biden. It might make hard-core Trump dead-enders hate New York, but that's certainly nothing new. In fact, it seems odd that so many Trump fans already hated New Yorkers like Trump for their entire lives before Trump came along.

Think Gov De Santis and AG Pam Bondi. There is no doubt in my mind should the NY AG indict Mr Trump and file extradition orders, FL will not comply. I suspect some frivolous, disingenuous reasoning will be used, like the Founding Fathers did not envision any state indicting a sitting nor a former president of any crime. Gee I think that would work for the Trump supporters I know.

He will remain at Mar a Lago and never set foot in NJ again.

Yes Trump supporters will see it as another harassing attempt to indict the son of god for crimes he committed but should not be tried .... because he is the son of god ... and o yeah ... a former occupant of the WH

I have no problem with folks viewing the results differently. But I did get a chuckle out of three house races where the democrats in their primary defeated a pro-life incumbent Democrat only to lose in the general election. So much for overall inclusion.

Now I have to plead guilty to seeing elections as putting up the best candidate with the best chance to win. Ideology isn't that important if being a pure ideologist means losing an election. I'd rather have someone who would vote my party line 75% of the time even if not ideological pure than lose with a ideological pure candidate where that opponent of the other party votes with my party zero percent of the time. Does that make me a realist, a pragmatist or someone just pure out of touch, I don't know.

I am keeping close tabs on the house elections, the GOP has a net gain of 10 seats so far, putting them within 9 seats in 2022 of regaining the house with 4 remaining uncalled or undecided.

I still can't fathom how Biden can win the presidency by 6 million votes, 4 percentage point and yet lose house seats. That's mindbogglingly, at least to me. If it hadn't happened, I'd have said that's impossible.

Trump says he's going to Georgia to have another big rally on December 5th. Plenty of time to kill a lot more Republican voters before the January 5th runoff! From the current infection rate, it will probably infect everybody who attends. We'll see how they are doing around December 12th. I bet most of them are sick by then.