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The rules are not written in the Constitution. The 12th Amendment prescribes that the vice president opens the certificates containing the electoral votes cast in each state in front of the joint session. ...
Each time a certification is read out loud by the tellers, the vice president must call for objections. Where one is made, it must be submitted jointly in writing by a member of the House and a member of the Senate alongside an explanation of the relevant grounds, or else the objection may be rejected. There is a process. My point is this may not be an academic exercise in Constitutional law or the rules of the House and Senate. This may become an exercise in real life and politics. I don't know what Republicans will do. I think they have become unpredictable because of the cult of personality revolving around Mr Trump. You can see what is happening to Gov Kemp, and he is simply following the law. for more How to Resolve a Contested Election, Part 2: How Congress Counts the Electoral Votes
ignorance is the enemy
without equality there is no liberty
America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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If Congress refuses the slate of electors or refuses to seat the electors. The Irish have a saying, there would be wigs on the green that day. Adapting the saying for we Americans, there will be bloody scalps on the steps of congress. Do not advocate it. Just saying... Also, how COVID-19 Brain will Republicans become. All the need to do is remember when their man won and their reply was tough it up buttercup he is your president to. Be Americans first and political hack, last For any of Republicans that may be reading this and that you are a veteran here is some provable history of the current coward, draft dodger, etc. New York Times article - Donald Trump’s Draft Deferments: Four for College, One for Bad Feet His Draft Record - Line 10 - Donald Trump’s Selective Service Records When the grandiose signature Donald Trump’s Registration Card
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Vote 2022!
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Now, get off my grass!
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Charisma, authority, and evil Why do people follow leaders who enact evil? Who restrict freedoms, or cause suffering? The question could be broader, in fact: What makes any leader compelling or authoritative?
One quality often discussed, is charisma. Charismatic leadership can contribute positive and negative outcomes for organisation and followers. A charismatic leader has been defined as a person that possesses a “memorable and powerful charm, indefinable aura, [and] an ability to lead and inspire” (Boehmer 2012: 159). Obtaining these important characteristics reflects on a leader’s success in gaining support from their followers and making a difference in their community. Sen. Ted Cruz had called Trump a "pathological liar" who, "whatever lie he tells, at that minute he believes it." Like most figures within the GOP, Cruz now bows to Trump's enduring power over the voters ambitious Republicans need.
That power represents Trump's greatest feat of wizardry. His presidency has brought supporters no border wall financed by Mexico, no health plan to replace Obamacare, no manufacturing or coal-mining revival to restore lost blue-collar earning power.
His extravagant promises never withstood critical scrutiny. But as he launched his presidential bid in 2015, Trump brazenly insisted there would be no Oz-like unmasking.
"I will not let those people down," he told me at Trump Tower back then.
The 74 million people who voted for his reelection plainly don't think he did. Most tell pollsters they believe his election fraud lies.
Not only that, Trump has persuaded them to keep sending him money. His campaign, his new political action committee and the Republican Party say they've collected $207.5 million since Election Day.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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The one thing that thin skinned egotist can' t stand is being labeled a loser. This is what is all behind his shenanigans. Not being labeled or called a loser.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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The one thing [ed. Mr Trump] can' t stand is being labeled a loser Still not convinced he is a narcissist? Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:
Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
Exaggerate achievements and talents
Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
Take advantage of others to get what they want
Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
Be envious of others and believe others envy them
Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office
At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:
Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation I do not condone lay people trying to diagnose medical or mental problems. However, there are a number of psychologists & psychiatrists who have from a distance analyzed Mr Trump and are convinced he suffers from NPD. Of course it takes a big ego to even see yourself as leader of the free world, but it quite a different thing to act in the way Mr Trump does. His delusion does not allow for him being a loser ... period ... full stop.
ignorance is the enemy
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America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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On another and probably more important note, it appears a good size chunk of Republican Senators will not condone nor be complicit in any electoral coup.
I hope they have live TV so I can see how they handle Rep Mo Brooks.
Voter fraud is rampant and everywhere (I love doing that), Democrats, communists, socialists, antifa-ists, and anti-Trump Republicans have conspired in a massive, voter fraud scheme (I love doing that ... I need ore emphasis), which only Trump supporting Republicans can see. I have to wonder ... am I damaged because I don't see it??? Inquisitive minds want to know ... what is real and what is not ... gaslight the planet!!!!! ... nothing is real if everything is real ..... arrrrrggggghhhh
ignorance is the enemy
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Supreme Court sets date for state response in Mike Kelly (R) PA's election suit Activist Conservative SCOTUS Alito masquerades as an originalist. His method of addressing constitutional questions consists of: - Determine the outcome,
- Reverse engineer a constitutional basis to support the desired outcome.
The thing that the idiot Republiclowns don't understand is that if they somehow got the SC to void the election in PA, that means that anyone who was elected in the November 3rd election no longer is 'elected.' They can't just void the votes for president and leave the rest intact. My guess is that Alito will refer to full court, so it can be unanimously denied shutting down forum shopping to keep it going. The SCOTUS will say State Court should hear the challenge if Act 77 is constitutional per PA Constitution but will punt on the relief due to laches on remedy Kelly is seeking. 
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While I agree with everything in your post, I'm responding just to add a few cents. Alito is a proto-fascist. I'll just put that out there. Moreover, he's a religionist, so there is a theocratic element to his "reasoning". In this case, I think, he enjoys the opportunity to inject a bit of chaos into the system. I believe there are enough cooler heads on the Court to avoid this becoming an issue, but he sees it as an opportunity to wreak havoc on the judicial scene. He LOVES striking down State laws (as well as federal ones). He's the most activist jurist at the Supreme Court. He'll probably get Thomas and Barrett to go along - it furthers his conservative agenda to throw another dart at Roberts - but I think that, ultimately, neither Gorsuch nor Kavanaugh will, and Roberts certainly not. It takes four to take a case.
What Alito is really up to is taking another opportunity to push Roberts. The Alito-Barrett-Thomas troika are trying to encourage conservative litigants to get cases to them so they can begin the reshaping of the legal landscape before sanity returns to the Court. They are looking for ways to get religion-based cases, anti-LGBT and anti-abortion cases, as well as voting rights cases to them so they can push their agenda. This is more of a signal to litigants and other jurists than a serious effort in this particular instance, but I would not be shocked if all the analysts and pundits are wrong - the 'safe harbor' deadline is an 1870's law, and he'd like nothing more than to obliterate it under an "originalist" interpretation. Don't underestimate his Machiavellian mind or his true anti-democratic bona fides. He just wants to know who might be along with him for the ride.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Here is an interesting article on what the future may hold. Associated Press Trump tactics to overturn election could have staying power https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tactics-overturn-election-could-144828585.htmland we can see that it's no only Republican. A certified loser in Iowa will get the Democratic controlled House of Representatives to overturn her loss in a party line vote, thus seating her. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/02/rita-hart-iowa-challenge-election-results-442224I have a feeling future election will be full of lawsuits and challenges to perhaps a point to where no one trust them anymore. Or I should be more accurate, if your side wins, you trust the results. If your side loses, mistrust prevails, fraud and everything else.
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It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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I would also like to point-out that Act 77 that Alito is looking at, was written and passed by the same Republicans who are now claiming it's unconstitutional.
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