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I see the Texas AG lawsuit against Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania has been joined by 18 Republican AGs. It will be interesting when it gets laughed out of the Supreme Court. I wonder if the Supreme Court will tell their local Bar Associations those AGs should lose their licenses for bringing such an idiotic suit to their court.

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Ken Paxton, the Attorney General of Texas — you know, the one who always seems to be in trouble with the law, was indicted for securities fraud in 2015, and in fact is still under indictment for that right now, and that's on top of all the new allegations of new crimes he's being investigated for at the moment — has gone DI-RECT to the Supreme Court to sue the noted non-Texas states of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin to please overturn the votes of their actual citizens - because that's what shady idiot Rightwing government officials do.

The other 18 states are jealous of how idiotic Texas is looking suing non-Texas states, so they wanted-in on the action as well. Usually being idiotic is reserved for Florida's antics.

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I am delighted that everybody is convinced that this last gasp IS THE LAST GASP! However, that being said, I take no comfort until this stuff gets ignored and throwed out. Until the Biden campaign is officially the winner Trump will continue and, probably, afterwards as well. My paranoia will decrease when he leaves the White House. My really fond hope is that, whilst this goes on, we don't get a crazed group of merry white nationalists who just start shooting the other side for target practice.

Basically, I don't trust the other side one little bit. These people are invested in fairy tales and unproven conspiracies! They are, in other words, mentally challenged! What I would really like is for every one of them claiming the truth of their fairy tales and unproven conspiracies be given jobs stacking stiffs and cleaning out ICU's (starting out with a one week stint). My problem with that is that these people will claim its all a lie as they lie in a hospital dying because they cannot breathe! Perhaps just taking them off the streets, in their own best interest, might be in our own best interest?

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We need to see how many of them are dead or disabled by next month. We are in the steep asymptote of the pandemic curve. Sources of infection are very high now, especially in states that don't lockdown. Any mass gathering without masks is going to infect most attendees. I'm thinking of Trump's December 5th rally in Georgia. Consider that his fans tend to associate with his other supporters as they go about their lives post rally, there might not be enough Republican voters left or able to vote in person in the senate runoff election to keep the senate Republican.

This is the point where Jim Jones tells all his followers to line up for cyanide KoolAid.

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Originally Posted by Greger
They need a positive message like the Republicans have to win the votes of independents..

Things like Swastikas and slavery flags. They need leaders like Trump who put party over country and personal greed above all else.

They need armed insurrectionists storming statehouses and plotting to kidnap and Kill governors of the treason party.

They need to deny the results of elections and attack democracy.

That's what gets voters attention and gets them to the polls.


Demonstrating against police brutality loses votes and turns off the voters. Siding with blacks or queers is stupid and costs you votes. Democrats need to become more racist, more homophobic and much much greedier. They need to stop getting educated. They need to stop complaining about expensive healthcare, suck it up and die like men when they get sick. And living wages? You gotta be kidding! No one wants to make enough money to pay the bills!

Yeah, Democrats have totally got it wrong.
To win elections you need the right phraseology. Ask the average American Joe who doesn't follow politics daily, just roots for his favorite sports team, watches his favorite tv show, works to take care of his family what "Defund the Police," means. I can tell you he won't mention reform. That not what the slogan says, the slogan says take all the money away from the police.

The demonstrations didn't cause the down ballot losses, but the riots did. Most independents were too busy with other things to care about a demonstration. But once they turned into riots, all over the TV, now they didn't want that to happen where they live.

The working class who went for Trump in 2016, for Biden in 2020 but congressional Republicans in 2020 want those who they elect to think about them and to protect their jobs, not which bathroom a transgender can use.

Something is wrong, Trump received 12% of the black vote this year, up from 8% in 2016. He received 32% of the Hispanic vote, up from 28% in 2016. His share of the white vote dropped, from 59% down to 58%.

The gay, lisbian, bisexual, transexual vote, Trump in 2016 received 14%, in 2020 27%. That's a 13 point jump in Trump's favor.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

So how do you explain the above. One last comment, the working class backed Biden big time, but not Democratic congressional candidates, there really seems to be a huge disconnect there also.





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It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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aren't you saying, what I have said succinctly, the American electorate is ignorant?


ignorance is the enemy
without equality there is no liberty
America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions



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When I broached the subject several months ago now, many scoffed at the idea anyone would not leave the WH when losing an election, but now what say you naysayers?

well over 100 House Rep's have signed on the amicus brief, as well as 18 Republican led state AG's ... and of course the Constitutional giant Sen Cruz representing Republican fascism. This does not include probable Senate Republicans who will lend a hand.

The bi-partisan inauguration committee failed to pass a simple resolution recognizing anyone other than Mr Trump as president. The Republicans represented by Sen McConnell, Sen Blunt, and Rep McCarthy are the leaders of the party in Congress. Now if the leaders do not recognize PE Biden as the PE, I can only conclude they will not move on the actual physical inauguration.

So, because I was right to be concerned, I now have some more questions.

How will the Chief Justice know to whom to administer the oath of office of the president?

If PE Biden simply invites Justice Roberts to administer the oath, would that constitute an act of sedition?

If no one has taken the oath of office at noon Jan 20, will the current occupant of the WH continue to be president?

Now some may think I am being hyperbolic and alarmist, but should you be, I would say have you read the news of late? have you watched in disturbing amazement what Mr Trump is doing? Why just a few months ago the unimaginable is now more than a fleeting thought of some demented, fevered mind of a deeply concerned citizen worried I may be watching the end of democracy as I have known it. I have always asked myself the question, how was it possible an A. Hitler could have ascended power in a republic where there are thoughtful citizens. Folks I believe we are witnessing just how it happened in Germany.

If this is allowed, who will be left to speak for our Democracy?


ignorance is the enemy
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Originally Posted by rporter314
aren't you saying, what I have said succinctly, the American electorate is ignorant?

LOL, this gets me. It seems that those who call voters ignorant want more and more voters to turn out to vote. The uninformed, those who don't give a dang who wins or loses, but we're doing every thing to get them out to vote.

If 55% of the electorate, the average since 1970 turn out to vote in a presidential election because they care enough to vote. Yet around half are deemed ignorant and uninformed, what about the rest. The other 45% that we're trying to get to vote? They don't pay one iota to politics or if they do, don't give an owl's hoot about politics, who's president, who controls congress or anything else.

Kind of strange isn't it. Calling those who care and willing to pay enough attention to decide whom to vote for ignorant, yet we want more ignorant folks who don't give a coyote's howl to come on out and vote.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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you missed my point.

My statement (and I have made it numerous ties over the past 17 years) is simply an observation based on observable reality of what people do and say. Now it could be only the ignorant are ever singled out by the media, so it could be skewed and my observation is inaccurate or not valid, but I would rather think based on election circi (hmmm .. i like it) and what these folks say, my observation is accurate.

I am not calling for or hoping for more ignorant people to vote. Good god no. I am hoping educated folks will vote and we can leave the ignorance (and their voice) to those who choose to be ignorant. Almost everyone I know is a Trump supporter. They are all bigots, and ignorant. They all believe the Democrats stole the election and celebrated in an orgy of eating babies. If you don't think these folks are ignorant ...well .... you must be using a different dictionary than I.

I could arbitrarily design criteria for voting as must have at least 12 ancestors who fought in Revolutionary War. You get a bonus vote for any who died in the war. or a citizen must pass a relatively simple civics exam to guarantee they understand the system of government under which we live. Of course you noticed right away, the Founders recognized people are ignorant but in order to guarantee some semblance of freedom and equality, even the ignorant are protected ... even if they through their ignorance would destroy America.

My hope as I said is to educate people first, so they make knowledgeable voters.


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Education is one of the lynchpins of a successful society.

This seems a good time to mention that the uneducated voted heavily for Trump.


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