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It appears the SC just ruled on the Texas Suit. Denied.
So some would say ... game over man ... but ... the game is not over. The ruling made clear states with standing could file a suit. Thus all the battleground states which Trump lost could file a suit to overturn their own certification. So you may say, no person in their right mind would do that. Are you listening to yourself??? Does anything these clown do make sense???
So think like a delusional narcissist. What can be done?
We already know some 118 House Rep's signed on the Texas amicus. There are some Republicans who stand with them. The joint session has not received the slate of electors. so there are 2 avenues still available to the lunatic fringe. Each of the battleground states could still file a suit to decertify (or something similar) and the lunatic House Republicans joined by some Senators could make objections. Republicans can still stall the inauguration committee, which throws a kink in the process. and of course the coup de grace is Mr Trump refuses to leave the WH especially if there is no swearing in on Jan 20.
Sen Cruz will be the savior of the effort.
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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So how do you explain the above. I explain the above by sending you to an article that explains it much better than I can... Democrats focused more on courting GOP voters than younger voters in the last election, former Bernie Sanders senior staffer Jeff Weaver argues. The strategy was a disaster, damaging downballot Democrats across the country — and it could backfire even more when Trump is gone. Democrats can't keep clinging to Centrism
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The date has passed where congress is obligated to accept all states that had certified. They can't uncertify. Congress is obligated to accept all those certified counts. The only state with issues left is Wisconsin, and even if they flipped Republican, Biden has more than enough electoral votes.
On Monday, the Electoral College votes. It's going to go as planned. Several states actually have laws that replace an elector if he or she tries to vote for somebody other than the state winner.
Congress receives the Electoral totals. Congressmen or Senators can object, but objections have to be upheld by both houses or they get dismissed.
So Trump's only path to keep power is a military coup, which is about as likely as a giant asteroid.
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Okay, let's look at how the High School or less along with college grads voted over the years. Not a High School Graduate voted Democratic in presidential elections from 1980-2012. Went Republican in 2016 and 2020. High School grads voted republican 1980, 84, 88. Then democratic 1992 and 96, Republican in 2000 and 04, Democratic in 2008, 2012 and then Republican 2016 and 2020. College grads voted Republican 1988-2004, Democratic in 2008, Republican in 2012, Democratic in 2016 and 2020. https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.htmlhttps://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2012https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-pollshttps://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-resultsSeems HS or Less were solid Democratic voters until Trump, HS grads seemed to go with the more charismatic candidate regardless of party. College grads were solid Republican until Obama, then went for Obama, Clinton and Biden. You can draw your own conclusions. Obama may owe his election to the uneducated HS grad or less as could Bill Clinton. Now both were charismatic as all get out.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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The date has passed where congress is obligated to accept all states that had certified. They can't uncertify. Congress is obligated to accept all those certified counts. The only state with issues left is Wisconsin, and even if they flipped Republican, Biden has more than enough electoral votes.
On Monday, the Electoral College votes. It's going to go as planned. Several states actually have laws that replace an elector if he or she tries to vote for somebody other than the state winner.
Congress receives the Electoral totals. Congressmen or Senators can object, but objections have to be upheld by both houses or they get dismissed.
So Trump's only path to keep power is a military coup, which is about as likely as a giant asteroid. 33 states have faithless elector laws, some with penalties, some without. Of the remaining 17 states, Trump won 10 of those. Georgia has no faithless elector law. Although, here in Georgia, the election, the popular vote determines which slate of electors cast Georgia's electoral votes. Each candidate on the ballot must submit their list of electors, either chosen by the candidate or his campaign to the secretary of state's office prior to the election. The popular vote winner, it's their chosen electors who will cast Georgia's electoral votes. If there is a faithless elector here, it's the candidates own fault as the candidate choose and placed that name on their list. I was an elector for Ross Perot in 1996, had he won Georgia, I would have cast an electoral vote for him. I assume most of the remaining 17 states have similar ways of choosing electors.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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The date has passed where congress is obligated to accept all states that had certified. They can't uncertify. Congress is obligated to accept all those certified counts. The only state with issues left is Wisconsin, and even if they flipped Republican, Biden has more than enough electoral votes.
On Monday, the Electoral College votes. It's going to go as planned. Several states actually have laws that replace an elector if he or she tries to vote for somebody other than the state winner.
Congress receives the Electoral totals. Congressmen or Senators can object, but objections have to be upheld by both houses or they get dismissed.
So Trump's only path to keep power is a military coup, which is about as likely as a giant asteroid. ....33 states have faithless elector laws, some with penalties, some without. The SCOTUS ruled on this in the summer of 2020. Please review their ruling. 
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Speaking of the military, the veterans vote, Trump beat Biden in the vet vote 54-44 this year. Hillary Clinton only received 34% of the veteran vote. There's a lot of gaps in past exit polling as the veteran question wasn't asked. As far as I can determine from different articles, LBJ back in 1964 was the last democratic presidential candidate to win the veteran's vote.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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Each state determines their own elector laws, and the Supreme Court said that's fine. They all have the popular vote determine which slate of electors will vote in the Electoral College, in the manner perotista wrote. What happens to faithless electors can be nothing, a fine, or instant replacement with a backup elector. I don't think any states specify jail sentences. There are 33 states (plus the District of Columbia) that require electors to vote for a pledged candidate. Most of those states (16 plus DC) nonetheless do not provide for any penalty or any mechanism to prevent the deviant vote from counting as cast. Five states provide a penalty of some sort for a deviant vote, and 14 states provide for the vote to be canceled and the elector replaced (two states do both).
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Has anybody given a thought about how ironic it will be when every Representative in the new House has to take the oath of office and swear to defend the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic, in light of so many petitioning the Supreme Court to throw the Constitution in the toilet?
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! It's okay if you're a Republican.
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