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yes yes ... of course it not only sounds preposterous that anyone could steal an election but ... well the law

Soooo ... there is the VP's gambit afoot.

Yes the law says can't happen and lots of scholars say no legal basis and all reasonable people say etc etc. Please note none of the people adhering and possibly implementing the gambit have said it can't happen. In fact the VP has not said anything.

So, if the gambit unfolds, VP Pence says that slate of electors is invalid, I select the Trump electors, who will stop him? Has anyone ever seen "the law" stop someone of committing a crime? So who exactly would say, stop, you can't do that? Sen McConnell? Certainly Sen Shumer and Rep Pelosi, but they would be out of order ... point of order please .... really .... and does anyone think VP Pence would come to his senses???? He has the backing of probably 125 House Republicans and a handful of Senators, who, may believe, the election WAS stolen by the evil, satanic Democrat cabal of pedophiles.

I am not sure anyone can stop the VP from doing this on Jan 6. This is why I have advocated from day 1 for ongoing suits to be filed to reach the SC and make rulings on what appears to me to be Constitutional issues which if they go unencumbered could and apparently have resulted in a possible Constitutional crisis. The Democrats would have to file a suit for a ruling on whether the VP could do what Rep Gohmert et al claim. I suspect Rep Gohmert has already tested his theory with the Trump appointed judge who will make a ruling on this and I suspect that judge will rule favorably for the plaintiff.

I have yet to see anyone recognize the possible result. Imagine, once a political party has gained control of the executive branch, all they would have to do is make any absurd claim (as justification) and let the VP select the next president or to say it another way, the party in power stays in power forever.

Do I think Republicans have any Constitutional common sense??? You know my answer.

Well, none of those people were tried and convicted by Democrats. They were tried by the Trump Dept. Of inJustice and convicted in federal courts.

Democrats agitated for impeachment and conviction of Trump for crimes committed while president. The impeachment happened but the conviction failed in the Senate after Republicans decided that they would not consider any evidence.

There continues to be state investigations of crimes Trump committed before he was president. Unless one feels that Trump should be granted a get out of jail free card for any and all crimes he may have committed, then I don’t see why these investigations should be considered partisan attacks on a blameless political opponent.

yes.

The FBI threshold for predication of an investigation is invariant. If you or I did the same thing as Mr Trump did or his campaign did, we also would have met that threshold and should have been investigated.

All I can say is, if you do a crime and think you are above the law, then you don't live in America.

As hard as republicans have tried to completely seize control of law enforcement and the courts over the last four years, they don't control everything. And what they don't control is under the control of democrats. There is no neutral faction. If Trump had been in control, none of his cronies would have ever been indicted.

It might surprise you how much politics affects the goings on within government...? Every one of those guys I mentioned were political hits carried out by a democratic party digging for dirt on Trump.

And all I can say is, you're dreamin' pal. The rich seldom pay for their crimes. Donald Trump is too rich to be prosecuted. He's never had to worry about it because he's always been too rich to go to jail. Fines and legal fees are just part of doing business. Once you graduate to white collar crime you are, in fact, above the law.

Right here in America.

Just like Jeff Epstein...

And with all those loans coming due, Trump is probably worth less than zero.

Cyrus Vance doesn't think so. Cyrus just hired forensic accounting specialists to work on the criminal investigation of Trump.

My eyes have been opened! No one is neutral. Everyone is a partisan. There are no honorable Americans. No one in this country ever does anything because it is the right thing to do; all actions are only ever done after calculating what is best politically.

I’m encouraged to hear that all these men are and have always been as pure as the driven snow and did not commit any crimes. I’ve also been disabused of the delusion that Robert Mueller has been a life-long Republican. I’m also impressed at at how good the evil Democrats are at assuring only Democrats ever run Dept. of Justice investigations and only Democratic judges are ever assigned to trials against Republicans.

There are no crimes if you are involved in politics.

All’s fair in politics! (Except prosecution of crimes).

Sounds like you're beginning to catch on.

Point is not that these men are innocent. But that Democrats shout just a gleefully about locking up their political rivals as the Republicans.

The difference between the parties is so slight anymore that it's barely worth mentioning. The Democrats are not the "good" guys, Republicans not the "bad" guys.

I've spent a lifetime backing Democrats in the belief that they were the party of the working man. Minimum wage still $7.25. Healthcare unaffordable. Education a road to a lifetime of debt.

Red koolaid, blue koolaid...it all tastes the same.

I’m sorry for those who see no difference between the current manifestations of America’s political parties.

Are there similarities? Sure. Does that make them equivalent? I don’t think so. Or maybe I should consider tigers and house cats as the same? Or a murderer and a shoplifter?

Republicans have spent the last 50 years persecuting and prosecuting Democrats for non-existent crimes. Which, of course, is just the same as prosecuting Republicans for actual crimes.

Democrats fight for more access to health care, higher minimum wages, stronger unions, more spending on infrastructure and education, better universal voting. Republicans fight tooth and nail against all of those things. But the parties are so alike no one can tell the difference.