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Originally Posted by Irked
Democrats fight for more access to health care, higher minimum wages, stronger unions, more spending on infrastructure and education, better universal voting. Republicans fight tooth and nail against all of those things. But the parties are so alike no one can tell the difference.

Hilarious!

Banking and telecommunication modernization acts, NAFTA, killing single payer option for a conservative think tank scheme, crushing its left flank, refusing to pass card check, pro war, pro empire, pro incarceration, etc, etc...

Bring a receipt somewhere in your claims

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The Democratic Party would be more progressive, if they didn't have to compromise with Blue Dogs and moderate Republicans to pass laws. But those folks exist, and they need some of their votes to pass bills. They don't get to march Republicans out back and shoot them.

Democrats in congress are NOT just like the Republicans, but they can't just ignore them. If the Senate seats go to the Democrats, then the whole government has a chance of fixing some things that were broken. If not, then Biden and the Democrats will be severely hobbled.

We shall see on Tuesday, or maybe a few days later. Considering all of Trump's efforts, the result might be clear on Tuesday night.

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You’ll have to explain, then, why the DCCC and DSCC have an official policy of excluding leftists from primaries.

Or preference the party conservatives to lead negotiations on relief bills.

Blue dogs are the party, like it or not. NWP was correct here.

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For the past two days all that has been on is the Trump phone call. I fully expect that this, and other things are going to be investigated under Biden. If Trump broke any laws he will be persecuted. In addition to that the manufacturer of the voting machines he has maligned will be suing Trump for the big bucks as well.

Trump, as far as I can tell, believes that nobody would dare. I have faith that nobody is going to dare anything but they will nail him for breaking any laws (if he goes). If he doesn't go then there is going to be real interesting times for our entertainment.

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Hundreds of people and companies "have dared" to sue him. They usually win a settlement with an NDA. That's why the suits disappear and you never hear about the outcome. There is no question about him breaking laws. He did, both federal and state laws, so even if he resigned and had Pence pardon him it would not save him.

But I doubt he will resign. It's just something he wouldn't do, even if it is the smart thing. Congress might still have to impeach him, if he tries something outrageous like a military coup. Did anybody know he can even be impeached after leaving office, just to disqualify him from any future office? I was surprised to learn that.

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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
...if he tries something outrageous like a military coup.
I hope Trump does try a military coup. Then the US can tryout the newly reinstated firing squad that Trump brought back. Ironic, no?

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He thinks he can direct the military to do anything he wants, because he has replaced a few people at the top with his toadies. His ringers are idiots if they believe career military men would follow illegal orders. Those high-ranking officers didn't get to their ranks by being stupid. The military has one of the most intense performance review infrastructures in our society. They know illegal orders when they see them. And they know they swore an oath of loyalty to the Constitution, not to Donnie.

I bet he could order ICBM launches right now and nothing would happen.

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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
The military has one of the most intense performance review infrastructures in our society. They know illegal orders when they see them. And they know they swore an oath of loyalty to the Constitution, not to Donnie.

Yes, I agree in the main. Pardoned criminal Lt. Gen. Flynn (ret.) being a recent, notable exception.


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Beg to differ, the dishonorable Flynn, the betrayer, was a civilian when he betrayed the country. Now, if this dishonorable betrayer betrayed his oath, he probably did, in the military is an unknown to me.

I just hope that a later pentagon will recall the dishonorable betrayer, investigate and courts-martial and if found guilty dishonorably cashiered. As an officer, the dishonorable betrayer can be recalled to active duty.

Finally, to me, as a dishonorable betrayer Flynn does not deserve the honorifics of Lt. Gen and retired, and they should be stripped from him.

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I think you are right. I also noticed that every living secretary of defense released a letter saying that its a REALLY bad idea to involve the military in politics. That seemed to come out of the blue and the only reason I could imagine is that somebody has been sniffing around the military.

Hopefully that will be the end of it. Trump has also requested that all white supremacists (not expressed that way) merge on Washington, DC tomorrow night. Oh, and Washington, D.C. have called out the National Guard for that night as well.

I suspect its fairly obvious that Trump is trying something. The question is whether it succeeds or not.

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