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... if it did, California would invade the entire south of the US over many issues.
[selected enclaves excepted, of course] And probably get your asses whipped rather badly - selected enclaves excepted, of course.
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The thing that really gets me is that even in front of a western audience, he still had the audacity to state the following: In Iran we do don't have homosexuals like in your country That is nothing different than Bob Jones would say about his university compared to others.
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I had intended to stay out of this thread, but something just floated up into my datastreams that is eminently germane. W. Patrick Lang (Colonel Ret. US Army), who was West Point's first Professor of the Arabic Language has posted his thoughts regarding Ahmadinejad at Columbia on his blog Sic Semper Tyrannis. What Ahmadinajad said at ColumbiaI listened to it all. His remarks were "bracketed" for me by those of Bollinger (the Columbia president) who sought to distance himself from any possible accusation of hospitality and Nora O'Donnell (MSNBC anchor) who sought to distance herself from any possible accusation of neutrality. Ahmadinajad said: - Scholars should seek the truth. - That he does not dispute the facts of the Holocaust, but that he thinks that scholarship should continue on the details and on the effect on his part of the world. He particularly stressed the innocence of the Palestinian people in the matter of the Holocaust. Since scholarship continues on the matter of this subject (the Holocaust) under the sponsorship of the US Holocaust Museum, this was an interesting point. - He said that the nature of Palestine/Israel should be determined by referendum among "Jewish Palestinians, Muslim Palestinians and Christian Palestinians." This is a variation on the long standing Arab desire for either a bi-national state or a state that is not specifically a Jewish state. He did not specify whether his referendum would include Palestinians of the diaspora. That, of course, would make a difference in the outcome. - He said that the Iranian nuclear enrichment program was forced on them by foreign defaults on agreements for nuclear electric assistance. He said that the Iranian sites are all under IAEA inspection and will remain that way. He also said that the concentration level of their enrichment did not meet the requirement for weapons production. Continued
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Mal, you might be interested in W. Patrick Lang's take on what Ahmadinajad remarks regarding homosexuality meant: He made a lame joke out of Iranian capital punishments for homosexual behavior. The esoteric gist was, "we don't care what you think about it." Ahmadinajad is an ass, but he's not the threat that many often proclaim him to be. He's a mediocricrat from the Iranian revolution, who kept his nose clean, and was able to float to the top of the pond. He's not even well liked in Iran. The more unnecessary pressure that gets applied, the greater the anti-west Iranian posturing will be. It's counter-productive. Ignore the fool. He's really just a puppet getting his strings yanked.
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From aKnight's link: He said that all parties should stop this kind of activity. There may have been an implied offer in that. THe Persians are subtle people. Perhaps they are too subtle for his audience Subtlety is for mealy-mouthed sissies. Real men say what they mean and mean what they say. Thank the Almighty that we have a president who will never be accused of subtlety.
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"Thank the Almighty that we have a president who will never be accused of subtlety."
And "May Those of Us Who Pray Be Damned" for NOT PRAYING SINCERELY "ENOUGH"!
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Mal, you might be interested in W. Patrick Lang's take on what Ahmadinajad remarks regarding homosexuality meant: a knight, Thanks for the link. I also watched the whole speech, and Col Lang's interpretation is admittedly a little different from my own. IMO, Ahmadinajad's comment about homosexuality didn't appear to be a joke at all as he seemed to deliberately evade the question initially before being asked a second time about the persecution of gay's in Iran. After being called on it again, he seemed more than a little defensive in having to answer something he tried to avoid in the first place. Maybe he didn’t expect to have to answer such a question at a major university in the United States? If in fact it was a joke, it was one made in extremely bad taste considering the very real political persecution of homosexuals in Iran: Inside Iran's Secret Gay World - You Tube As an aside, do you think Lang’s depiction of Ahmadinajad supporting “scholars who seek the truth” a little strange considering that some liberal Iranian-American scholars have recently found their way into Iran’s Evin prison? 'Bad Veils' and Arrested Scholars: Iran's Fear of a Velvet Revolution
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I wouldn't want to see our country attack any other nation simply based upon how that nation treats its citizens either, but I don't think we should go overboard in trying to rationalize or justify offensive remarks by a foreign leader, especially when those remarks are often addressed at both us and our closest friend in the region. I think engaging in legitimate criticism is far different than beating the drums of war. very interesting post Mal for a number of reasons. I have been seeing a fair bit of analysing of remarks by the iranian president, ive not seen a lot of justifying of them. I hope its not an attempt to shut off some lines of inquiry for fear of being tainted by justifying the man.
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." (Philip K.Dick)
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Quinnipiac University should take a poll regarding bombing Iran now. There wasn't too much popular support for it before Ahmadinejad's visit, but I'll bet that the numbers are up now. The government could have- if they wanted- limited him to the UN and then put him on the next plane back to Iran instead of letting him traipse about NYC. What better way to sell the need to bomb Iran, which I believe is already a done deal?
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I would like to see President Bush go to Iran and undergo the same questioning that Ahmadinejad had here! I would like to see President Bush go to Iran and receive the same hospitality we have shown Pres. Ahmadinejad!
IMO this was a disgrace to our own country! This could have been done much more tactfully! But, I suppose if it were more tactful, it would not have shown how bad Iran is and how badly they need to be taught a lesson! By way of bombing!!
Shameful, IMO!
Good doesn't always win!
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