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The government could have- if they wanted- limited him to the UN and then put him on the next plane back to Iran instead of letting him traipse about NYC. My own sense of it is that Ahmadinejad's visit will have little or no effect on people's opinions. The fact is (I believe) most "true Americans" could care less about whether his government is persecuting a few intellectuals or homosexuals. What they care about is whether Iran is supporting the insurgency in Iraq, or developing nukes to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. There is nothing he could say to address those points. I gather he didn't bother to try. Steve, I think that you're correct that many Americans don't care who he persecutes. For that matter, many Americans don't care about the illegality or immorality of the Iraq war, but only that it's taken so long. However, many people don't want any expansion of the war in the Mid-East, which most regarding as a losing proposition. I believe that this Administration intends to bomb Iran, but they haven't been "selling" the idea and the American people haven't been "buying" it so far. I believe that Ahmadinejad's visit is the "selling point." Ahmadinejad being himself will be regarded as enough justification for bombing Iran. His speech at Columbia pissed off a lot of people and I believe that this was the effect the Administration hoped for. Joe
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I think that you're correct that many Americans don't care who he persecutes. For that matter, many Americans don't care about the illegality or immorality of the Iraq war, but only that it's taken so long. However, many people don't want any expansion of the war in the Mid-East, which most regarding as a losing proposition. I believe that this Administration intends to bomb Iran, but they haven't been "selling" the idea and the American people haven't been "buying" it so far. I believe that Ahmadinejad's visit is the "selling point." Ahmadinejad being himself will be regarded as enough justification for bombing Iran. His speech at Columbia pissed off a lot of people and I believe that this was the effect the Administration hoped for. Agreed. However I do not believe that President Bush (IMO) cares one bit if he "sells" anything any more. I beleive he is just going to launch his war, and allow his successor to deal with the inevitable regional war, the complete bankrupcy of the United States Government, and the pariah results on America. He just does not appear to care how many others will die and suffer as a result of his actions, any more than yo or I would worry about an ant that die when trod upon walking on the sidewalk. We are, in the NeoConservative view, that insignificant to them.
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In my previous post: From his facial expression and other body language, I got the very strong expression that he was totally surprised by Bollinger's broadside.
For a minute there, it was the deer-in-the-headlights look. Then I got the distinct impression of anger/embarrassment.
I realize that it may not be exactly concrete, but that is what I read out of his apparent reaction. Ah. Chalk it up to my (failure of) reading comprehension. Thanks, Ron. I get you.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.
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Good post, Joe Keegan. His speech at Columbia pissed off a lot of people and I believe that this was the effect the Administration hoped for. Here's my question: did it piss off people who were previously noncommittal, or just those who were already predisposed to being pissed off? In other words, did it win any converts?
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
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Here's my question: did it piss off people who were previously noncommittal, or just those who were already predisposed to being pissed off? In other words, did it win any converts? It provided a Show 'n Tell for NeoConservatives to tout all over the media. It will be the featured lead-in to President Bush's announcement of the commencement of bombing of Iran. And, come 2009, it will be the Poster Child blurb when all of the media goes through their claims of, "how could we have been fooled again...?"
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For anyone interested, here are some YouTube Links, but don't bother if you do not have broadband access. Total approximate size of the 6 videos listed is about 100mb Joshua Micah Marshall's TPMtv - Veracifier also has a YouTube user Account: TPMtv: Veracifier YouTube Account. Two Links are from it, noted as TPMtv. Then, there is this current gem from TPMtv: TPMtv: Lieberman's Bomb Iran Bill
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So what would have been the problem with President Ahmadinejad laying a wreath at the WTC Memorial? His country and countrymen, and even his particular flavor of Islam, had absolutely nothing to do with the attack by Al Queda. In fact, he was probably just trying to point out that Iran has always been deadly enemies of Al Queda.
(Now if a Saudi Prince had tried it, I can see the problem!)
This administration has tried to link secular Baathist Sadaam to Wahabi Fundamentalist Sunni Al Queda and made fools of themselves. Are they somehow now trying to link Shiite Iran with Al Queda? Do they still have any toes they have not shot off?
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Pndering, of course 9/11 it is because 9/11 Iran was directly responsible 9/11 for exporting terror 9/11 to Iraq 9/11 who hired OBL to do their dirty work 9/11.
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So what would have been the problem with President Ahmadinejad laying a wreath at the WTC Memorial? It would have provided a media event protraying Ahmadinejad as a human being sympathetic to the victims. As Philly Steve pointed out, that doesn't fit into the Administration's propaganda. Philly Steve, I don't doubt that those are the aspirations of the Cheney Bush Administration, but I am not so pessimistic as to dismiss the possibility that circumstances are different enough that we won't get fooled again.
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I think that you're correct that many Americans don't care who he persecutes. For that matter, many Americans don't care about the illegality or immorality of the Iraq war, but only that it's taken so long. However, many people don't want any expansion of the war in the Mid-East, which most regarding as a losing proposition. I believe that this Administration intends to bomb Iran, but they haven't been "selling" the idea and the American people haven't been "buying" it so far. I believe that Ahmadinejad's visit is the "selling point." Ahmadinejad being himself will be regarded as enough justification for bombing Iran. His speech at Columbia pissed off a lot of people and I believe that this was the effect the Administration hoped for. Agreed. However I do not believe that President Bush (IMO) cares one bit if he "sells" anything any more. I beleive he is just going to launch his war, and allow his successor to deal with the inevitable regional war, the complete bankrupcy of the United States Government, and the pariah results on America. He just does not appear to care how many others will die and suffer as a result of his actions, any more than yo or I would worry about an ant that die when trod upon walking on the sidewalk. We are, in the NeoConservative view, that insignificant to them. Philadelphia Steve, I agree with you, but the dems don't seem to be too much different. Joe
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