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perotista #333992 05/01/21 01:17 PM
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Perhaps not, I don't watch TV news as I consider it all political propaganda these days, especially on cable news networks. You're probably right as I found this.

The “defund the police” movement has placed a wedge among Democrats on Capitol Hill: The campaign is backed by leading progressives in the party, while more moderate members have spoken out against the initiative.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/542108-poll-finds-only-18-percent-support-defund-the-police

So those Democrats who spoke out apparently are being heard or the perception that Democrats are all for Defunding could be those in favor have a much louder voice. Anyway you look at it, the perception exists especially among independents who don't pay much attention if any to the daily goings on in Washington or the political front in general.

Now you may not like that perception, that perception could be completely wrong, but it exist and denying that it exist is an exercise in futility. Perhaps a new strategy is needed or perhaps a strategy of saying what one means. If you mean reform, get those who hog the media spotlight to say reform and not defund if that is possible.


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Now you may not like that perception, that perception could be completely wrong, but it exist and denying that it exist is an exercise in futility.

The purpose of right wing propaganda is to create the perception that democrats are pedophile cannibal child traffickers and worse. Looks like it's working.

You guys better vote Republican next time or you'll find yourself with no police to call next time you need one. And George Soros will be eating your grandkids sliced thin.

There is only a thin blue line between you and people of color demanding what is yours and smoking pot in your neighborhood.

They're socialists too!

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Let me try again. Stuff like "defund the police" means, to a LOT of people, that Democrats want to simply shut down the police departments nationwide. This being the case these people do not vote for the Democrats because the Democrats want to get rid of ALL police. You can talk about what they really mean until you are blue in the face and you will fail. Stuff like this is why the Democrats lost all those house seats. in the last election. For those of us that would prefer Democratic candidates to Republican candidates such stuff is just plain stupid, on the part of marchers, Democratic idiots everywhere, etc.

OH, Biden has consistently been against 'defunding' or getting rid of the police!

I suspect hat you have no TV by choice. That's just fine but, for those of us who are lazy, its one of our main sources of information. I do wonder, however, just where you do get some of your information as some of what you say is simply not true. The Biden/defund thing is an example of that. In this particular case I am not sure that your information came from Republicans. If you are getting stuff off the net there are ways to know who is saying what. There are, for instance, free services which will tell you the political leanings of sites.

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JGW...I'm pretty well versed in how to use the internet. And I know what is reliable and what is not.

Television is not a reliable source of information.

There is NO movement within the Democratic Party to defund the police.

Pretty good article in The Hill about it. But I don't suppose you've looked farther than your teevee screen for accurate information.

All you've got is some demonstrators waving signs last year. And some reporters trying to make it into something.


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perotista #334004 05/01/21 11:33 PM
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Now, if you wanna talk about police reforms, there has been some movement on that in light of recent brazen murders by the police.

But once again, most of that has to happen at the municipal level. The Feds aint got much to do with it.

Republicans...to a man, believe that police should be able to kill anyone at any time for any reason at all.

Democrats believe it's worth looking into some reforms.

And so republicans shriek that Democrats want to defund the police

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Well, I let you two have at. Myself, I'll follow how independents view this defunding the police debate. Whether or not they believe the democrats want to defund the police or reform the police. Since they, independents make up 41% of the electorate, their perceptions on this may well decide the 2022 midterms. Whether or not it's true is totally irrelevant. Elections are basically beauty contests to those who don't pay much attention to the daily grind, the ins and outs of politics and party's positions.

I agree with greger that the democratic party, most of the democratic Party doesn't want to do away with the police. They want the police reformed. The problem is among the unwashed masses who just take what they see and hear and then draw their conclusions, usually on TV, they see it differently. They perceive the Democrats as being anti-police. Be that from Republican propaganda or from TV news where they see AOC, Omar, Walters, etc shouting defund the police or whatever is totally irrelevant.

I'll leave you with an article from Slate, certainly not a right wing magazine.

For two weeks, Democrats have been arguing over why they didn’t do better in the election. Was it socialism? The Green New Deal? Bad organizing online? These disputes will rage on. But there’s one lesson on which all sides should agree, because the evidence is clear, and the remedy is semantic: Stop saying “Defund the police.”

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Policing needs to be reformed. That’s clear from the killings of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and too many others. And you can make a strong case that if we were to invest wisely in education, employment, mental health, and controlling drug abuse, we wouldn’t have to pay cops to deal with problems that are better managed by social services. But “Defund the police” doesn’t help us make that case. It sets us back.

“Defund the Police” Is a Self-Destructive Slogan
Especially if you want to reform law enforcement.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/defund-police-slogan-election-polls-democrats.html


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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“Defund the Police” Is a Self-Destructive Slogan
Especially if you want to reform law enforcement.

And that's why no one is using it.


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“Defund the Police” Is a Self-Destructive Slogan
Especially if you want to reform law enforcement.

And that's why no one is using it.
We live in a time of easily manufactured reality.

No, really...


You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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perotista #334011 05/02/21 01:14 PM
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Yes, since each individual is different, each with different experiences and ideas, beliefs, views, so each would views things differently and have their own reality or perception of the world and events.Each has his own biases and views the world through their own eyes. Each persons own reality is seen through their eyes.

How one views politics is no different, we can live in totally different realities of our political world around us and view it completely different. With my background, 46 years of the military, 21 years active duty, 26 working for the army as a civilian, being basically non-partisan and never associating or belonging to a political party, my view of the political world will be different, I view political reality through non-partisan eyes and thought.

I'll acknowledge that a lot of folks have been influenced by the slogan defund the police, that they take that slogan to mean exactly that. That a lot of folks associate defund the police with the Democratic Party, that is a reality in my political world. Even the polls show that and how they voted in 2020 also shows that. It's a belief, a perspective, beliefs and perspectives don't have to be right or wrong, true or false, they're individual conclusions based on what they have seen through their own eyes/ They do form realities at least from their perspective and beliefs along with their conclusions and personal thoughts. .

I think it's very real that defund the police was one of the main reason that approximately 5 million people would vote for Biden and then vote for their Republican congressional candidate which caused the Democrats to lose 14 house seats while winning the presidency by 7 million votes. For me that is the reality of what happened. It's also a reality in my political world that a lot of folks still associate the Democratic party with defunding the police. Your reality might be different, which is okay in my world.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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I suppose "Raise the Minimum Wage" is also a self defeating slogan?

Many are afraid prices would soar, businesses would fold, the economy would suffer, and for what?

Paying top wages to entry level employees who don't deserve it?

Medicare for All"... Another self defeating slogan.

Giving top notch private medical care to poor people who can't afford it?

And taking YOUR hard earned tax dollars to do it!

"Make America Great Again"

Now there's a slogan we can all get behind!


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