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I went down to San Diego for a few days to visit my sisters. During that time we saw no news. When I got back yesterday we watched the news. We were gone for about 10 days. During that time politics, I think, didn't move a single inch. All the news seemed to be about vaccinations and who either had them or not. The news also showed Biden bravely coaxing the states to pay every non vaccinated 100.00 to get vaccinated (amongst other bribes)

Sorry, I really don't get it. There are any number of vaccinations that children must get to goto school and nobody gets bribed. Everybody got vaccinated for poliio, most get flue shots, etc. In the first you didn't have a choice and in the second you did. It is, I suspect, a review of how we have either progress, or, maybe not. I have had my vaccinations. Nobody bribed me, I simply preferred not to die. Seems to make sense to me. Those refusing to be vaccinated are, as far as I can tell, either Trumpies or dumb as doors. They are all, however, claiming their rights (apparently to make sure that everybody get covid and quite possibly die as soon as possible). I was thinking, perhaps this is natures way to cull the herd, a kindofa giant cleansing of the gene pool. (there is a site for that at darwinawards.com). Since they are determined to kill themselves, and their children family, and anybody else that's handy I would suggest that gov stop paying their hospital bills amongst other non-progressive personal
thoughts. Science is starting to tell us that herd immunity, due to the anti-vaccers, is no longer actually probable. That being the case why in the HELL are we paying for THEIR mistakes?

(I actually saw a nurse, on TV, who was not vaccinated lose her non vaccinated child to covid and her husband who was a serious anti-vaccer dying in hospital of covid who she blamed for none of them getting vaccinated),

My logic, on the stopping the paying of their covid care, is that its REALLY time to stop holding the hands of the mentally infirm who refuse to take care of themselves or give a damn about others. Most of them seem to also be on the political right and would scream in horror at the very thought of socializing and actually fixing your healthcare as that would mean COMMUNISM! So, gov pays their health bills which is flat out socialism. I tend to the thought that some deserve what they desire and saving them from government paid healthcare might actually be exactly what they deserve!

Oh, one last. I watched a doctor point out that anti-vaxxers that are hospitalized have absolutely no qualms about taking any kind of treatment or medicine they are offered in hospital even though such have really not been particularly cleared to any real degree just so they get saved! (I am really sick and tired of the non-vaccinated)

I won't even get into the Biden plan to pay idiots 100.00 to take care of themselves. That one REALLY makes no sense to me!

Just a mean spirited thought..............

A couple of different government agencies tried to estimate what the average human life is worth recently. One came up with 10 million dollars. The other came up with 11 million. (This was for US citizens.) So "let them die" as policy could get rather expensive in terms of GPD and the economy as a whole. $100 is a drop in the bucket compared to what the government is paying to take care of Covid-19 patients. Especially when you consider what will happen in the future with all the folks too sick from Long Covid to work. Considering the percentages of Covid victims (even young folks with asymptomatic cases) who end up with long-term symptoms, that could demote us to Third World status.

If anybody in the hospital for covid which is not vaccinated then the government should not pickup the cost of treatment. Instead the patient pays because of gross stupidity. If the patient dies then his/her asset are seized and sold to pay as much as possible. There is no logical reason for my tax dollars to be spent on somebody who, obviously, distrusts gov, has paid no attention to fact, and probably thinks the moon is made of cheese. I am, in other words, not particularly interested in paying for conscious stupidity.

They are saying that the increase of deaths due to covid have tended to encourage anti-vaxxers to get vaccinated. I wonder how many would get vaccinated if they had to do that rather than sacrifice probably everything they own because they couldn't bring themselves to do the right thing in the first place.

Vaxx it or casket you red state Karens.



Texas now has more COVID deaths than New York recorded and Texas is fast closing-in on California's numbers. Florida's unvaccinated young are dying. Imagine keeping policies in place that kill your base just to own the Libs.

The now dead patient's estate or loved-ones need to pay. Personal responsibility, amiright, Righties?

I have a friend up in Pensacola. A Trumper, but not rabid, he accepted Trump's loss. An evangelical Christian, a zealot. Retired military.

He and his wife were vaccinated. But he didn't take masks seriously or, more likely social distancing. Continuing to shop, eat out, and go to church as if he were completely immune.

He and his wife both caught it. Both were very ill, she was hospitalized for Covid Pneumonia for about 5 days but not intubated.

During all this, I saw a conversation on Facebook where he was pleading his younger sister to get vaccinated and she refused. But she promised to pray about it.

She promised to talk to herself inside her head about it and then claim God would take the Glory of her decision.

Batsh*t M*therF*cking crazy is what they are....

While I'm not in favor of the government seizing their assets or forcing hospitals to turn them away I am gleefully watching them die for Donald Trump.

I don't want them turned away I want them to survive and sacrifice their money to pay for their error. I haven't seen current figures but the ones I have seen have covid in hospitals means a charge of something in excess of 250,000.00! I have now heard doctors report what some covid patients have said; "Rather be dead than get a vaccination", "It was my right to not get vaccinated" are a couple. One reported a covid patient that couldn't breath, they got her breathing and she got up and left because Covid was a fake. Then there are the nurses who refuse to get vaccinated as well.

Makes any sense to me. When you take a look at who is dying the vast majority are the un-vaccinated. That, alone, should send a message and has, to some whilst others continue to await, I guess, either their own passing or the millions that have been vaccinated to die.

The governor of Florida is sending his kids to school un masked. He has also mandated that, basically, people should not mask up. In this situation there are expectations that children will die (because of a political rather than health based decision). That governor may just be sending his children to school to die!

This is waaay beyond my understanding.

The problem with asset seizure after a no-vax death, is that most adult's "assets" are their ability to work for another 20 or 30 years. Few people have much saved for retirement or houses without mortgages. If you can spend $60 on vaccines, $100 on the bribe, and say $50 to setup for vaccinating, you come out WAY ahead: $250,000 x 1% dying = $2,500 compared to $210

And that's just immediate expenses. That completely ignores all of their future value if they lived, all the medical care for people who survive, many of whom will end up with Long Covid. Anti-vax will mean a massive economic hit. You would think Republicans would figure this out, supposedly being the Party of fiscal responsibility.

I remain amazed at the covid healthcare being paid for by, I think, the feds. How are they doing that? Its flat out socialism! Nobody is saying a word! Not even the Anti-vaxxers! I wonder if anybody has figured out how to transfer their regular healthcare to whatever care (the current covid payers). I guess the main question is if covid has brought us socialized healthcare. I doubt it but it might be the beginning. This would, I fear, also bring on socialized medicine without any plan which, on the other hand, almost makes sense. Then I started wondering just how much all of this is costing. Here are three sites:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-pandemic-cost-americans-16-trillion/
https://www.fairhealth.org/article/costs-for-a-hospital-stay-for-covid-19
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/putting-the-cost-of-covid-19-in-perspective/

Seems the cost is going to be 16 trillion dollars for the pandemic. Now throw in another 4 trillion for whiz bang fixes and helping hands. I suspect we are rapidly moving towards flat out bankruptcy. I once read a book on that one. Seems a nation cannot go bankrupt, instead their money becomes worthless.

We seem to be adding 20 freaking trillions to the national debt! Actually, we are not but might as well get the ball rolling as we seem to be creating a debt that is greater than any conceived before. Something is gonna have to give on this one. Oh, and the Republicans have stood steadfast. Multi-billionaires need not pay taxes, the 5% can pay minimal taxes and the workers, apparently just pay and pay because the rich can't afford to pay. An example of billionaire really important spending is the guy who owns Amazon and is working on a 500 million dollar yacht.

Read again today about colleges and universities being concerned about students (and faculty?) showing up with fake vaccine cards. They should not worry: Besides being a possible crime of fraud, about the only increased risk is to the fakers themselves. Vaccinated people might catch a covid-cold from the unvaxxed, but they could also catch one from vaccinated people. It's the unvaxxed who have much more to lose. At an in-person school and dorm, they are a lot more likely to catch it, and it could be much more serious. If they do go home sick, they might kill their parents or grandparents.