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I think you've summed the issue up about as contritely as it could be expressed.

Republicans manage to gum up the works at both ends and every step of the way...

There's an Atlantic article with an interesting take on this and likens it to prohibition.

Which failed.

You can read it HERE but there's a paywall if you've read your freebies already.

Can't the herbalists, Brujeria, and midwives step up to the plate on this...isn't there a pill or a tea that can safely put an end to that bit of snot??

My whole take on abortion is that it's none of my business. It's between a patient and a doctor.

Greger, midwives and herbalists used to handle these cases. They were labeled as witches, hung, and banned from practicing medicine for a few hundred years.

I did a little more arithmetic.
Average earnings for an American woman (including Fox blondies and Denny’s waiters: 3600/mo.
Less a random 4% guess at a tax rate is $144
leaving $3312
From that you “pay yourself first” at 10% - you never know when you’re going to need those savings
Leaving $2981
Less housing, $895 at 30%
Leaves $2086, or $521/week for food and utilities for yourself and any dependents.

If you don’t have health coverage but you save religiously, you can pay for that easy-peasy procedure in just 4.5 months.

Greger - abortion rights may not concern you, but the incursion into personal rights probably bears watching.

Isn't that cute: You actually think the pro-life bunch are going to stop at banning abortion.
Hate to break it to ya but now that Texas is The Republic of Gilead, and thousands of women are signing up to rat on each other for ten grand a pop, or to play Aunt Lydia with the cattle prod, other evil things like contraception and RU-486 are next on their list, along with lesbian sex, gay sex, sex toys, sex education, extramarital sex, premarital sex, sex in exotic positions, interracial sex, and of course, any sex that isn't strictly for procreation.

Margaret Atwood used to be accused of hyperbole.
Watch how you sling that term around.

The point is, it's not gonna be so easy to get laid anymore unless you're in the inner circle and very rich, and very Republican.

In the old days I’d have asked for a link, but that doesn’t seem to be a Thing any more, so I’ll just ask: Why do you think it will be women “ratting on each other?” Or generally responsible for the limitations you list? It’s an ugly accusation; I really am curious about your source.

Not necessarily. I remember reading it while cowering in fear on the floor, worrying about whether my bank account would be raided, worrying if fanatics would take over…um..Congress…That was in, I think, 1987 or thereabouts, when it was first published. This stuff has been going on for a long time.


I’ll just leave that one on its own.

This is the part that makes me grind my teeth. The utter hypocrisy of the GOP - especially in Texas - is just appalling. The same Governor who signed this law into existence, refuses to provide funding for healthcare (Texas is 43rd out of 50), to expand Medicaid, or support welfare, but approves untrained and unlicensed people carrying deadly weapons around in public. It's true around the US. And the States with the laxest gun laws have higher murder rates... amazing. What a world to bring those unwanted children into.

And sex education or the lack thereof.

Regarding “What a world to bring unwanted children into” - people have been saying that for hundreds of years; you certainly need go no further back than the Blitz, or the Cold War, but you could probably go back to the Black Plague.

And for that matter, if the world is that bad (you’ll get no argument from me,) it is bad to bring any child into, wanted or unwanted.

To throw up your hands and say “ach, but it’s a terrible world” is to take refuge in a platitude. “The problem is so huge, there’s nothing to be done.”

Frankly, that’s horse hockey. These are single laws, new laws, that can be prevented or overturned - not nearly as difficult, say, as amending the Constitution.

Shrugging your shoulders and turning away will work as long as you have no young (under 50) female relatives who need you to loan them $1500 and/or drive them across state lines on very short notice.

Abortion rights concern me very much because it's not only not my business it is most certainly not the government's business. I see it as gross overreach into people's VERY personal lives.

I know they were labeled witches! I'm a witch fer fueks sake and I even included the Brujeria into the equation because this is Texas we're talking about.

I don't even know if there is a safe herbal remedy to end pregnancy. But there should be.

I think there were always rumors of herbal treatments that would “bring on menses” as it used to be called. Nothing safe and reliable, I’m afraid, or it would be widely used. I think many women would prefer a tea or tisane taken privately at home to getting into the medical system and the very public legal system, even if some pain was involved.

And I didn’t mean to insult you in any way; I think I misread your “none of my business” comment more widely than you intended,

Any organized program to flood Texas with home pregnancy tests would not buy 2-packs at CVS. Just buying 50-packs on Amazon makes them under 30 cents a piece:

Pregnancy Test Strips on Amazon

Buy a million of them, and I bet they cost under 10 cents each.

Your timing analysis is correct, but the instructions that would come with the strips would say to take the test during the week that your period should come, missed period or not. The tests say they work 12 days after implantation, so taking them during their period week would give them over a month to get a legal abortion. During that month, people who help them are NOT subject to the bounty hunt lawsuit, so Planned Parenthood or any of other volunteer organizations could schedule appointments for them, drive them, get it paid for, deliver RU-486, etc.

I agree completely that the law, and the Supreme Court action are horrible, and in fact so bad they could get a lot of Republican office holders on the unemployment roles at the next election, BUT I'm just pointing out ways around their stupid law. Just being outraged doesn't help those unfortunate women.

I think there is another major flaw in the law: How does anybody know if a woman who goes out of state for an abortion is 4 weeks pregnant, or 8 weeks, or even 12 weeks, unless she tells them? It's not like their forehead suddenly turns blue! If she's using home pregnancy tests she receives in bulk by mail, then nobody would know! Are they going to have exit ultrasounds at the Texas border? Mandatory pregnancy test appointments every month for every woman between 12 and 50?

It's called mifepristone + misoprostol, among other things. Works very well up to 10 weeks. Considering how easy it is to get weed, crack cocaine, or heroin, I suspect drug dealers will start carrying it as well. There is no punishment in the new law for women who abort, just their "helpers" and abortion clinics.