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Since WWII all our wars have been by resolution, not a declaration of war as the constitution states should be the case. A declaration of war would mean putting the people on a war footing and all that entails. That doesn't have to be done with a resolution. In fact our governmental leaders have become very adept when we're at war to have the people live normal lives back here in the states as if no war was going on. Our leaders do an excellent job of keeping the American people insulated from war. I found this interesting. Declaration of war by the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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I think the lack of civilian involvement is in part to do with none of those wars being in defense of the US, or at least being seen that way.
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Reconciliation Agreement with the Taliban We have to, the Afghan government ran away and the Taliban are now in charge - much to decent society's chagrin. 
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I think the lack of civilian involvement is in part to do with none of those wars being in defense of the US, or at least being seen that way. In reality, it's due to all of the corruption in the Afghan government - which the US allowed to happen on their watch.
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Rick, I think we posted at cross-purposes. There are certainly many things that can be blamed on corruption in Afghanistan, but I doubt American lethargy is one of them.
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Wasn't Afghani corruption happening while the US was nation-building in Afghanistan? Shouldn't the US have quashed the Afghani government corruption?
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Rick, I’m not questioning what you’re saying, just it’s relationship to my post. You’re talking about the government, and I’m talking about the citizens.
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That is my point: The citizens gave up on their country because their government under the watch of the US was so corrupt, that the citizens had no faith in their country. Why would citizens get involved in their country if the whole point was useless because of the corruption that is running their country? Things were never going to change for the citizens. Had the US stamped-out the corruption, the citizens would have been more involved in their country because they would see that thing would be different this time - is my argument. Afghanistan simply reverted back to where it was prior to the US insolvent and it only took a matter of days for the country to revert back. There was no foundation to keep the effort moving forward for the citizens because nothing had changed.
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Rick: not their citizens. I was talking about our citizens. Murricans.
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Right... 2,700,000 Americans served in Vietnam and 58,000 were killed over 10 years.
490,000 served in Afghanistan (over 20 years) and 2372 killed.
Perhaps more important, there was a draft in one of them.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
R. Buckminster Fuller
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