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...VP Harris needs to be gerrymandered out of the picture for 2024. THAT she does. How are we gonna do that without offending peeps? 
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I think how folks view Biden and the Democratic congress either positive, negative or indifferent will have much more impact than who dies of COVID. But we'll see. Quite right! But with a twist...independents also have to approve of what the opposition is offering. I'm guessing Abbot and DeSantis are polling worse than Biden right now...? Both are up for re-election. Both races have the potential for domino down-ballot surprises. Word has it O'Rourke might run in Texas. Regarding Covid deaths, they are happening mostly in areas with huge majorities of conservative voters. They won't be missed come election day. Beto threw his hat into the ring for TX Govenor. 
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...VP Harris needs to be gerrymandered out of the picture for 2024. THAT she does. How are we gonna do that without offending peeps? Harris is interesting, independents don't like her. Why, I don't know. Maybe it's her personality that just rubs them the wrong way. Who knows. What I do know is as of 14 Sep 2021, only 31% of independents have a favorable view of her, 61% unfavorable. Those are Trump numbers. Actually worst. History shows independents usually don't vote for someone they dislike or in this case, seen unfavorable.Even Democrats are worried about Harris's very low poll numbers. If I were a Democrat, come 2024 if Harris still has these kind of numbers among independents, I certainly would nominate someone else. My favorite Democrat for 2024 at this early state is Illinois senator, Tammy Duckworth.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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...VP Harris needs to be gerrymandered out of the picture for 2024. THAT she does. How are we gonna do that without offending peeps? Harris is interesting, independents don't like her. Why, I don't know.. Okay, this was bait, but I’m going to take it. These are not all the reasons, I’m sure, but I’ll bet they’re a significant chunk. 1) She’s a minority 2) She’s female 3) she gives the appearance of not eating a lot of shite (theHillary Clinton word for this was “bi*ch†on a good day, “see you next Tuesday†on a bad one.) 4) she’s first in line for the presidency Again, not the whole explanation, but …a chunk
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Betty’s bein’ bad
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...VP Harris needs to be gerrymandered out of the picture for 2024. THAT she does. How are we gonna do that without offending peeps? Harris is interesting, independents don't like her. Why, I don't know.. Okay, this was bait, but I’m going to take it. These are not all the reasons, I’m sure, but I’ll bet they’re a significant chunk. 1) She’s a minority 2) She’s female 3) she gives the appearance of not eating a lot of shite (theHillary Clinton word for this was “bi*ch†on a good day, “see you next Tuesday†on a bad one.) 4) she’s first in line for the presidency Again, not the whole explanation, but …a chunk Yep. And so it starts. Reminds me of Elizabeth Warren. Too smart for HER own britches. Pretty soon we'll start talking about her hairdo or her how she sounds when she talks.
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Not bait at all. Harris won't win. Pero explained it pretty well. I'm partial to Liz Warren but would be thrilled to see Duckworth.
I've got absolutely nothing against Harris...but she's unelectable. Everybody knows it.
Independents don't like her...Democrats don't like her.
Who's gonna elect her?
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Greger, I was responding to "she's unelectable...Independents don't like her....Democrats don't like her".
Why?
The vice president is always in first spot.
I'm not lobbying for VP Harris. I like her fine and I think she's smart and very capable but she won't necessarily be my choice.
It doesn't seem to matter who 'pops' up. if it's a woman, the s*** starts almost immediately. Even with Dems and Indeps.
I'm a little sick of it. I'm not young anymore and I haven't experienced a woman President of the United States yet? Are you [censored] kidding me?
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I tend to look at these things from an election perspective. Going by hard numbers and not by the heart or wants or from a partisan angle. Fact is, regardless of the reason Harris isn't liked, She'd have a very hard time beating Trump today with her numbers.
Of course we don't know what her number will be come 2024. But I don't think they'll change much. My question is, do you want to win an election or do you want to make a statement? Me, I'm all about winning elections.
I think or at least I thought the Democrats had learned a valuable lesson from 2016. That's why the Democrats went with Biden, Biden was a safe bet to beat Trump. A lot of the others weren't. Biden made sense to me. That is from winning an election standpoint. Maybe not from an ideological, from stances on the issues or anything else. But Biden gave the Democrats their best chance at defeating Trump. Biden was acceptable to independents where many others weren't. The final results prove that, independents voted for Biden 54-41 over Trump. One also has to keep in mind that independents make up 40% of the electorate today.
Hillary wasn't acceptable to independents, Biden was. Hillary lost independents and the election, Biden won independents and the election. Quite simple really.
The bottom line, Harris isn't able to attract independents to vote for her in the numbers needed. At least as of today. Why, from winning an election standpoint, why is totally irrelevant. This goes back to winning an election or just making a statement.
My advice for democrats in 2024, come up with a fresh young face, if from flyover country so much the better. Fresh young face, from flyover country, Tammy Duckworth, get it?
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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1) She’s a minority For me, that has nothing to do with it.
2) She’s female For me, that has nothing to do with it.
3) she gives the appearance of not eating a lot of shite (theHillary Clinton word for this was “bi*ch†on a good day, “see you next Tuesday†on a bad one.) For me, THAT has something to do with it..
4) she’s first in line for the presidency For me, that has nothing to do with it.
Again, not the whole explanation, but …a chunk First off, I like Kamala Harris. BUT... She has been lackluster, so far, as VP. I thought she'd come in kicking ass and taking names. Kamala is NOT doing that. Initially, I liked her idea of getting to the root cause of people showing-up at the border. THAT was the correct, and SMART approach. Since, then nothing. Kamala needs to step-up to the plate and kick ass. THAT is what I want from her.
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What is that old adage? Behind every successful man is an even more successful woman? Show us Kamala and quit waisting time.
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