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I suspect not. The entire division is manufactured.

But assuming you're right, when do you expect the shooting to start? Will Republicans swarm down each street dragging us libruls from our homes and killing us? Will Law Enforcement be leading the way? Will it be State Police fighting the US Military? Maybe a Military Junta put into place?

Even if all that happens it will be over in ten years or so.

I don't see much point in doomsday hyperbole. At least not in regards to partisan politics. We've got global climate change looming that could actually spell the end of us and all our petty squabbles.

---I see it as being equivalent to "The Troubles" that plagued Northern Ireland for 30 years...random terrorist acts, innocent people maimed and killed, terrorists being let off easy by Trump judges and landmark cases where terrorism is tacitly approved by the Trump SCOTUS, lawmakers openly inciting further acts of terrorism, cops and military going rogue, terrorist attacks on polling places going up...way way up, disruption of services, purges, wannabe pogroms, and finally, attempts at rolling and diverse kristallnachts.

Interesting you mentioned entities of forceful authority.

I mentioned last year the possibility the US Military "could" be a problem if then Mr Trump would not evacuate the WH. Well since then we have heard, read, and seen evidence of close ties between the military an law enforcement with Trump supporting groups and militias. So consider what happened in Iraq when al qaeda begin their campaign of asymmetrical warfare. This is what I see. None of these groups can mount a full frontal military style assault on anything, but can mount operations with limited military/political objectives i.e. asymmetrical ops. We have already seen the DoD talk about military people being closely associated with militias and Trump supporting groups, or the Capitol Police coordinating with some insurrectionists.

These folks believe, as all true believers do, in their delusion the country has been stolen, and therefore they have a right, an obligation, to overthrow an illegitimate government. What would stop that belief? It is burned in.

Hyperbole? Really? When I predicted the possibility of attempts by these folks to overthrow the election through legal machinations, little did I foresee the possibility of the extent of participation by folks who were former elected representatives, high ranking officials, and legal minds, in a conspiracy to overthrow the government. I thought only the delusional narcissist would be the sole voice of that insanity.

So I have to ask, hyperbole ... really?

It was a riot Mr. Porter. Incited by an off-the-rails former reality show star. I'm as righteously indignant about "the insurrection" as the next guy. But it was such an utter failure and brutally representative of how every Republican endeavor always ends up.

The QAnon crowd is being left behind as reality catches up with their lies. Trump is nothing more than an angry vindictive old man who wants to be president so he can seek revenge against all who have wronged him.

Hyperbole...exaggeration. Yes, this isn't 1860.

But that's okay! We are here to rant and who knows, maybe you'll be lucky and all your predictions will come true!

Something I learned recently, extortion is basically the threat of damaging somebody if they don’t do what the other body demands. The extorter doesn’t have to actually do any harm. Similarly, insurrection is not the successful overthrow of a government, it is only the intent to do it.

Riot? Yes…

Insurrection? Yes.

I was taught in my math classes to always start with the definitions.

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So there is a difference. One Republican Rep has infamously said the people shouting for VP Pence's head were just tourists (Actually I believe he was only referring to the one video of "trespassers" walking around the rotunda, but I use his stupidly used words for effect ... I mean he has to defend Trump at all costs).

Utter failures? Really? I see great successes. Packed (not used in the historical sense, but in the pragmatic sense) the SC with politically far right justices. Republican state legislatures have enacted voting laws which will potentially restrict voters from predominantly Democrat districts. Republican legislatures have enacted anti-abortion laws. Should I go on with Republican failures? The reason they have been so successful is the dedication of far right organizations which are well funded. The Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation come to mind.

Not where I live.

Trump is a malignant narcissist. He is so delusional he actually believes the election was stolen from him. Does he want revenge? Damn straight.

As close as it has ever been. Trump supporters where I live are using crazy talk. None have taken their signs/flags down. When Trump says Pres Biden is destroying the country, they believe it. So what do you think these folks will do .... make smores.

Some of them are likely making s'mores as I type this. Grilling burgers, baking pies.
They're watching ball games, hauling their kids around and trying to make a living.

As to your definitions, yes I know. You can wrap that definition around these idiots if you want, but this was a mindless mob bent on nothing but destruction. If this were in fact a "movement" they would have organized those militia boys and come in shooting. They could have secured the capital and called Trump to hand him the victory.

That's not what happened. They took pictures of themselves smearing feces on the walls to prove they were true patriots!

Then they went home and made s'mores.

Paper Tiger.

Destroying the country, no. I've been fairly happy with Biden. Not so much with the Democratic controlled congress. Now it's time to let the numbers talk. If I were a Democrat, I'd start paying attention to them if the Democrats want to retain control of congress next year. Still early, but I haven't seen what I would see with these numbers.

1 Aug numbers, pre-Afghanistan, 31 Aug numbers, end of Afghanistan withdrawal, 7 Oct numbers post Afghanistan.

Biden’s overall job approval/disapproval numbers:
1 Aug 51.3% approval, 45.9% disapproval/31 Aug 46.3% approval, 48.6% disapproval/7 Oct 43.4% approval, 50.3% disapproval.

Generic congressional vote
1 Aug Democrats 48% Republican 41% D plus 7/31 Aug Democrats 46% Republicans 44% D plus 2/7 Oct Democrats 44% Republicans 41% D plus 3.

Direction of the Country, right track/wrong track

1 Aug right track 40%, wrong track 53%/31 Aug right track 30%, wrong track 61%/7 Oct right track 32%/wrong track 61%.

Immigration 1 Aug 42% approve, 54% disapprove/31 Aug 34% approve, 57% disapprove/7 Oct 32% approve, 60% disapprove.

COVID 1 Aug 62% approve, 38% disapprove/31 Aug 53% approve, 43% disapprove/7 Oct 51% approve, 45% disapprove.

Economy 1 Aug 55% approve, 45% disapprove/31 Aug 46% approve, 49% disapprove/7 Oct 45% approve, 50% disapprove.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

Still basically no change since 30 Aug outside of a one or two point drop in a couple of categories. If the drop was just Afghanistan related, the botched withdrawal, I’d expected Biden and company to be on an upward trajectory 5 weeks after the end of Afghanistan. That hasn’t happened. My only conclusion is the bad numbers run much deeper and into more categories than just Afghanistan. The latest, most recent numbers have been even worse than the RCP averages. But I’ll let this The Hill articles get into that nitty gritty.

'Battered on trust, doubted on leadership': A 'brutal' poll for Biden shows no easy fix


https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...dership-a-brutal-poll-for-biden-shows-no


The article mentioned normal ups and downs in the poll numbers. I'm beginning to wonder if there is such a thing in today's modern political era of polarization, the great divide and the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship as normal ups and downs.

I would like to point out, yet again, the degree to which Trump is a loser. In business he has failed at just about anything he has touched, except for the business that daddy started and he turned over to somebody else. He tried selling stuff, from neckties to steaks and education - all gone and broke. I think he won his base from his TV show which he didn't write and didn't control and portrayed him as being successful.

Daddy gave him half a billion dollars and he proceeded to go banko - SIX TIMES!

As president the secret service went broke paying for housing bodyguards for the President at overpriced prices.

As far as anybody can tell he has never made a dime on his golf courses.

His hotel is a financial disaster bailed out by the Saudis who ordered rooms that they never used but spent millions 'helping' Trump.

Contractors will no longer accept any work from Trump unless they get the money up front.

There is a huge amount of law suits against him. I think that if he ever gets charged and convicted of a crime he can no longer stand for president. He was, incidentally, the only president, I think, ever to publicly announce he wasn't responsible. The strange thing about that one is that he was speaking truth!

This is the guy his base thinks is the greatest businessman in the world. He lies to his base regularly and they cheer. They thank him for all he has done for them but, as far as I can tell, nobody has yet to tell us what, exactly that was. His base is a problem, its a problem for the nation, a problem for themselves, and if they ever grasp reality they will be a serious problem for Trump (no likely to happen but pleasant to think about)

Pero, are you familiar with David Shor?

Democratic data scientist warns party could be out of power for a decade

This is a pretty likely scenario. Except I don't think the current Republican party has the chops to actually stay in power for a decade.