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Originally Posted by stereoman
Good post, Joe Keegan.
Originally Posted by Joe Keegan
His speech at Columbia pissed off a lot of people and I believe that this was the effect the Administration hoped for.
Here's my question: did it piss off people who were previously noncommittal, or just those who were already predisposed to being pissed off? In other words, did it win any converts?

Steve,

I don't know. Possibly some who were sitting on the fence with an already existing predisposition to being pissed off, but I don't believe that it will make any difference. The Administration and media/gov/corp complex will use it as justification for bombing Iran.

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Mal,

Prof Cole's compare and contrast Ahmadinejad's/Iranian and America's Christian fundies' attitudes regarding homosexuality.

It might be a little bit exaggerated, but before you decide how much, consider Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas. (Warning:extremist hate site).

Also consider the statement by Congressman Mike Pence (R-IN) May 3, 2007, on the floor of the House, speaking for the House Republican Conservative Caucus, the Republican Study Group, in which he said the caucus believed H.R. 1592: the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act was constitutionally flawed, because its categorisation of premeditated sadistic crimes in which the victims were targeted solely for their sexual preferences as hate crimes violated the 1st Amendment's religious establishment clause.

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The first amendment to the Constitution provides that Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Now, America was founded on the notion that the government should not interfere with the religious practices of its citizens. Constitutional protections for the free exercise of religion are at the very core of the American experiment in democracy.

But what does that have to do with the hate crimes bill? Well, there is a real possibility that this bill, as written, religious leaders or members of religious groups could be prosecuted criminally, based on their speech and protected activities under conspiracy law or section 2 of title XVIII, which holds criminally liable anyone who aids, abets, counsels, commands or induces or procures its commission, or one who willfully causes an act to be done by another.

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For example, if a pastor included a statement in a sermon that sexual relations outside of marriage are morally wrong, and even quoted the Bible to make that point, and then a member of perverse intention in that congregation caused bodily injury to a person having such relations, that sermon could be used as evidence against that pastor.

Now, the real world effect of this, in addition to the possibility of prosecution, is the much greater and geometric possibility of a chilling effect. Putting a chill on pastors' words or religious broadcasters' programming or an evangelical leader's message, or even the leader of a small group Bible study is quite simply a blatant attack on the constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of religion.

May 3, 2007 House Floor statement of Mike Pence (R-IN), speaking as chairman of the Republican Study Group

{mote/eye}->hypocrite::remember bro?

I've been intending do a complete post encompassing many congresspersons' statement regarding this, but have been a bit slothful, plus a bit wary of taking over the whole religious category on this board. It seems I should get to work on it though.


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The blow-back from the "Columbia Effect" has gained Ahmadinejad sympathy in Iran even amongst Iranians who normally don't support him.

Ahmadinejad lauded in Iran for "Lion's Den" visit

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Around 200 lawmakers hailed Ahmadinejad's "historical and memorable" stay in New York, saying in a statement his "courageous" speech on Monday had made Muslims happy while angering Iran's enemies like Israel, the Mehr News Agency said.

Others condemned the way Ahmadinejad was treated at Columbia University, where he criticised Israel and the United States and provoked laughter and jeers by saying Iran had no homosexuals.



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Patrick J. Buchanan puts Ahmadinejad's NYC visit in proper perspective. Is Ahmadinegad's Columbia speech enough reason to bomb Iran? Or, for that matter, does this Administration need a reason?

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If the above link doesn't work, try http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22559

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