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jgw #338078 11/07/21 07:34 PM
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Infrastucture vote is interesting. It wouldn't have passed without some Republicans voting for it. All six members of the squad voted against it.

In Infrastructure Votes, 19 Members Broke With Their Party

https://www.yahoo.com/news/infrastructure-votes-19-members-broke-162322878.html


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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And that bipartisan support will lend gravity to the bill, and in fact make it easier to expand on with the goodies Dems have been fighting over for months. This is exactly how government is supposed to work. And this should have happened months ago. I blame neither the progressives. nor the moderates for the failure. Blame lies entirely with leadership for not hammering the deal out earlier.

Perhaps too much effort is being put into investigating Trump and not enough into managing the economy?


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Greger, sometimes I think you're a mind reader. I keep telling folks, as far as independents go, Trump is ancient history. No longer in charge, no longer president. No longer relevant. At least to independents. They don't give an cow's moo about him anymore.

Look at Virginia, McAuliffe, Trump, Trump, Trump. Youngkin, issue, issue, issue. enough said.Youngkin won in a blue state and NJ almost turned red even with a million more democrats than republicans.

Yes, what ailes the Democrats and Biden isn't the BBB or any other legislation. It's supply and demand, rising prices and seeing some empty shelves. Stances on issues and even passing legislation doesn' t mean that much if you're a non-affiliate who has to pay a buck fifty more for a gallon of gas or a dollar more for a loaf of bread, etc. etc. etc. This gets noticed.

1-6 hearsing or the BBB doesn't get noticed or they take a back seat. Perhaps are even placed in the trunk while all eyes are on the wallet. To quote Bill Clinton, one of my favorite presidents I never voted for, "It's the economy, Stupid."

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I don't think as interesting as you believe. I suspect the "squad" had good intel which indicated there would be enough Republicans to vote for it, so their vote could be seen as symbol to their followers, they are serious. IOW ... they knew it would pass without their votes.


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You're probably right. Even McCarthy said there were between 10-15 Republicans that would vote for it. Now the squad doesn't have to worry about getting reelected, their districts are safe. They win by 80-20 or 70-30 if the Republicans actually field a candidate.

So as a symbol, that symbol means nothing if that was what they intended. Unless they are thinking of higher offices and looking at state or national office.


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Only 15% of voters identify as progressive. But we still want a little representation too, ya know?

We don't command much power but we can turn the tide for a Democrat.


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Originally Posted by Greger
Only 15% of voters identify as progressive. But we still want a little representation too, ya know?

We don't command much power but we can turn the tide for a Democrat.
That 15% sounds about right, which would mean just about half of the Democratic Party are progressives. I've read the progressive wing of the democratic party in congress makes up a bit over 100 of the 222 representatives.

You have this from Gallup.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/328367/americans-political-ideology-held-steady-2020.aspx

Gallup only breaks it down to liberal, but if you have liberal and very liberal, 15% sounds good to me to be very liberal or progressives.


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That 15% sounds about right, which would mean just about half of the Democratic Party are progressives.

Wrongo Pero! That 15% includes all progressive independents as well. Folks like me, and Chunkstyle. As does the 25% liberal number. Democrats are mostly centrists labeled liberals. Don't be putting me among the Dems just because I vote for them.

Perhaps 15% of our elected officials are progressive...? I kinda doubt it.

If half of the Democratic Party was progressive Bernie would be President right now.

Proof's in the pudding...the old Centrist from Delaware sits the Resolute Desk.


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I know a lot of folks compare our two major parties to those of Europe. Perhaps in Europe the Democratic Party would be viewed a centrist. Not here though. Our nation's birth was quite different than the nations of Europe. Our nation was born not only out of war, but with a fear and a distrust of government, a central government.

Thomas Jefferson once said or was attributed to saying something akin to "A government big or powerful enough to give you everything you want, is a government big or powerful enough to take away everything that you have." That may stick in the back of many Americans mind.

Do I trust our government to do what's right, no. To tell us the truth, no. To keep its word no.


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Chris Sununu decided not to run for the senate seat in New Hampshire. That decision makes what looked like a GOP gain into a realitive safe seat for Democrat Maggie Hassan. That's my opinion.

As of this AM, the Democrats look like a 2-3 seat pick up in the senate instead of 1-2. You still have two pure tossups, R held NC and D held GA. WI and PA still look like D gains. With no new redistricting since last time, the House still looks like a 10-15 seat GOP pickup.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/09/sununu-wont-run-for-senate-520413

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