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It's where the government owns everything and the elite keep all the money and the rest of us get exploited, right? I stopped reading at that point .... copied ... pasted into full editor ... pasted .... posted with the words just typed
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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After the next election I am sure that there will be state legislatures that try to negate the votes of citizens. This, in turn, will create law suits and, at least one of those, will go to the supremes. I know, this makes no sense in the current reality but I believe that the supreme will put a stop to that rather quickly. If, on the other hand, the supremes uphold the a law that allows a state legislature to negate votes then the nation is done. Votes no longer count - end of America as we know it, etc.
Anyway, until the Supremes handle some of the more extreme, and self serving legislation of the states, I am holding my breath and hoping for the best.
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The Socialist/Socialism thing. Any discussion on this one is a complete and utter waste of time and several fronts. This is the last I will indulge. Anybody arguing, on any side (there are many) is wasting their time. The argument itself has little to do with what it is or isn't and, I guess, really about saying something about political language and just how twisted it can become. I actually tried referring to a dictionary years ago and had absolutely no success!
I do, however, believe that there are certain things that Gov can do better than individuals. Things like Police and Firemen come to mind. I, personally, would like to see healthcare too in that list. Other than that have at it!!
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That right there is the capitalist definition of socialism. here's the capitalist definition of capitalism... an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state. "The State" Is made to look rather ominous isn't it? So let's just color this in with some nuance. Everywhere it says "the state" replace those words with "the people" Here...like this! Capitalism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by Billionaires for profit, rather than by the people. Here's a meme that might help... ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/kKFcX8C.jpg)
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I say, as long as the Fed keeps shoveling money into private enterprises they should put those shares they’re mopping up into a sovereign wealth fund that pays every American a dividend annually. Seems like the rich keep getting bailed out while everyone else, without major investments, had to suck it up, Figure out what enterprises are worth saving, take shares for the SWF and liquidate this’d companies that are not worth saving.
Did the government have to do so much bailing out under the New Deal consensus with all that high levels of unionization? Seems like mr market don’t mind getting into one of those ‘entitlement’ mentalities when it gets itself into a jam, happening more frequently.
Who here remembers having the GDP go down while stock indices hit record highs? That seems to be the pattern now. Bigger and bigger bailouts to the stock owner class, socializing profit, but if you lose your job or can’t make payments? For the most part, your on your own.
Who is benefitting from that arrangement?
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senate and house update 11 Dec 2021 - some senate numbers have changed. I also added Ohio as that state looks very competitive now. But the results remain the same, a gain of 2 seats for the democrats. More states have completed their redistricting process and the house portion reflects that.
Senate +1-3 equals lean, but within the MOE. These states are very competitive with one party or candidate having a slight advantage. +4-6 outside the MOE, equals likely, the candidate’s or party’s lead is outside the MOE. +7 and above, those states aren’t listed. They’re considered solid or safe for the party that currently holds them.
Arizona Kelly D – Kelly +4 Democratic hold R 50 D 50 Florida Rubio R – Rubio +6 Republican hold R 50 D 50 Georgia Warnock D – Warnock +6 Democratic hold R 50 D 50 Nevada Cortez Masto D – Cortez Masto +1 Democratic hold R 50 D 50 New Hampshire Hassan D – Hassan +5 Democratic hold R 50 D 50 North Carolina Burr R – Burr is retiring, open seat. Republican candidate +1 Republican hold. R 50 D 50 Ohio – Portman R – Portman is retiring, open seat. Republican candidate +2 Republican hold. R 50 D 50 Pennsylvania Toomey R – Toomey is retiring, open seat. Democratic candidate +2 Democratic gain R 49 D 51 Wisconsin Johnson R – Democratic candidate +2 Democratic gain R 48 D 52
Missouri R Blunt, Vermont, D Leahy are retiring, these open seats may make my watch list if they become competitive later. As it stands now, the Democrats have a net gain of 2 seats leaving them in control 52-48.
House of Representatives
Currently the House of Representative consists of 222 Democrats, 213 Republicans. The GOP needs a net gain of 5 seats to take control of the House. Until redistricting is completed it is impossible to determine the total at-risk seats for both parties. As of 11 Dec 2021, 25 states have completed their redistricting. 165 districts have been redrawn, out of those 165, 17 are competitive or switchable. The democrats hold 13 of these seats vs. 4 for the GOP. Probable net gain for the Republican Party, 3-4 seats. 270 districts have yet to be redrawn.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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pays every American a dividend annually I predict that will be the result of an evolutionary process, but not for the reasons you said. If psychological problems was one of the results of covid quarantine, then think in terms of magnitudes of that when people are alone sitting at home collecting their annual stipend.
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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yeah ... i suspect Republicans will win both chambers. Imagine a world in which Trump is pulling the strings, not to get necessary legislation through congress, but to seek revenge against this who oppose him. The House will be tied up in unending hearings about the treasonous Satanic Democrats, and the Senate will have to acquiesce to placate Trump. Pres BIden will veto everything including proclamations naming new PO's. I used to like the circus but find them tedious now.
If there were any clues when a society or culture is in decline, we will find them all around us. Imagine, birth to extinction in less than 300 years. What a commentary we will leave the Founders ... couldn't get people to wear a mask .... and Democracy died, thrashing about as if it means something ... whimpering because no one cares, or is oblivious
Prepare your epitaph for America now while you still have the time to think, and not be rushed in the near future into typing something inane
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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I wonder, does anybody remember when Nixon wanted a living wage for everybody? He suggested several things, like that. They never went anyplace but he did suggest some stuff like that. He also, if I remember correctly, tried to get all the military musicians to wear European style very tall hats.
Always thought that was strange. None of it saw any daylight.
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Right now, 11 Dec 2021, I’m sticking with my 10-15 seat pickup for the Republicans in the house. I’ve seen nothing in the new maps, 165 newly drawn districts to change that. Of course, we have a whopping 270 more districts to be redrawn which include the big states of California, New York and Florida. As for the senate, one needs to remember the Republicans have 20 seats to defend next year vs 14 for the Democrats. The Republicans also have 4 retiring senators vs. 1 so far for the democrats. The states in play gives the Democrats a slight advantage which today I think will end up with a 2-seat gain.
Even so, losing the house will be big as that stops any of Biden’s and the Democrats initiatives or legislation. It also opens the possibility for revenge by the Republicans for impeaching Trump twice. I expect once the GOP takes over the house, along the lines you mentioned that within a few months, the Republicans will hold impeachment hearings on Biden. I expect that. I’m sure this hasn’t been talked about on this site. It’s the old, you impeached one of my presidents, now I’m going to impeach one of yours. Call it political payback. Like Trump’s impeachments, it won’t go anywhere in the senate, it’ll be a total waste of time, energy and money. But I’m sure it will happen.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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