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I still have faith that Trump will figure out a way to screw it all up even better than any Democrat can! Hopefully the Dems can also nail him on one, or more, of his transgressions. They seem to be revealing more and more from their efforts. With luck they will nail him. If that happens I suspect that he will lose some true believers and his powers will eventually go away.
I am, incidentally, delighted with their reveals so far and, hopefully, they have a LOT more to go. Given the documents given to them by Mark Meadows the the fact that they now can have all the Trump presidential records as well I expect that they are going to get a LOT of information backed up with paperwork. If that happens Trump will be done. Then it will be interesting to see what happens to those in congress who supported the uprising. Hopefully, again, the Dems will have the will and the backbone to cleanse our government?
Oh, and if some of that can get going before the elections next year it will be VERY interesting!!
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Hopefully the Dems can also nail him I have 2 words for you ..... jury nullification. The disease is not just insidious but pervasive. A large chunk of the possible jury pool are Trump supporters, either vocally or in their silence.
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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I'm sure prosecutors will take jury nullification into account as they select jury members. There are very few "secret Trumpers". They tend to be a pretty noisy bunch. There is also the fact that many indictments and lawsuits are coming from many different jurisdictions, so even if one or two trials get nullified, there are several more that won't. Trump will not face one grand unified trial.
Educating anyone benefits everyone.
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I googled "hope saying" and found https://www.goalcast.com/hope-quotes/My choice: The darkest hours are just before dawn. Again, thank you....
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This is for Greger. Fresh from Gallup today. POLLING MATTERS DECEMBER 17, 2021 Deconstructing Americans' Views of Socialism, Capitalism https://news.gallup.com/opinion/pol...nt=morelink&utm_campaign=syndicationInteresting info on those who think either favorable or unfavorable to both systems.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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While Greger has been talking about a red wave for the midterms along with some other political prognosticators, I’ve been much more cautious. Estimating a 10-15 seat pick up for the Republicans in the house along with a 2-seat gain in the senate for the Democrats. At least that is what the numbers show today. But what we, I include myself in this, is we haven’t factored in the Trump factor. I think that is impossible until the midterms draw nearer. But here’s an interesting article that points the Trump factor out. “Will Trump Ruin a Red Wave in 2022?†https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-ruin-red-wave-2022-151632086.htmlI wouldn’t get my hopes up yet. Inflation, rising prices, the appearance of empty shelves is still considered by many as this nation’s number one, its biggest problem facing this nation today. If that continues, the Trump factor may not even sprout into being. Nonetheless, interesting reading, it’s something that I think must be added to the boiling cauldron for the upcoming midterms.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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POLLING MATTERS DECEMBER 17, 2021 Deconstructing Americans' Views of Socialism, Capitalism
Interesting info on those who think either favorable or unfavorable to both systems. The interesting thing is that the opinions polled are not relevant to the “systemsâ€, they are about the words only. Neither “system†exists in any universally identifiable form.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete. R. Buckminster Fuller
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Polls are only relative indicators. For instance "P" likes to point out that about equal numbers of Republicans and Democrats think the other party is destroying the country.
The polls never drill down to the substance of the questions. Republicans believe communism is taking over etc etc and therefore destroying America. The reality is, supposing it is true and valid communism is actually in play, changing economic structures do not in fact destroy anything but the perception Republicans have of what they believe America should look like. For Democrats they point out the obvious political realities of an attempted coup, changing voting laws to potentially disenfranchise voters, in a like manner that Jim Crow voting laws did, which are real and demonstrably do change the very fabric of Democracy. It is not some perception of change but a real change.
In an extended manner, most believed when people typed about an attempted coup in America, that it was nothing more than wacky liberal anti-Trump extremists smoking the wacky tobac typing. Gee ... turned out to be true and valid warning. In like manner when people, including me, warned of potential for rogue military units siding with Trump in attempt to stay in power, it was found at the time military leaders in the Pentagon prepared for that possibility. Now it appears former generals are warning of that same possibility again in the 2022, and 2024 elections.
Is this a vivid dream, or is Democracy unraveling?
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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What I do, utilizing polls is to point out what America as a whole is thinking, feeling or what are their perspectives on things are. Not what just the Democratic party's perspectives are or just the Republican Party's. Yes, independents are disgusted with both major parties, roughly equally disgusted. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be independents. They’d join or belong to one major party or the other. Being independents, they’re not political junkies and hardly pay any attention to the nitty gritty of the political world until an election nears. Quite a lot of independents think the two major parties ought to work together to get things done. When they continue to see the two parties at loggerheads almost all the time, their conclusion is what good are they.
Independents are tired of this butting of heads, even folks who once were affiliated with the two major parties have left them because of this. Hence, independents have grown from 30% of the electorate to 40% plus since 2006. Which coincides with our entry into today’s modern political era of polarization, the great divide and the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship.
Another reason given is the two major parties have left the mainstream of politics, left the American Joe behind while one party drifts further right, the other left. Middle America has been left behind. I’m sure those partisans of either major party can’t see or fathom how these folks look at politics or how they feel about what’s happening or how they look at politics in general. Each side thinks these folks who has been turned off political parties should view the political world through the glasses the partisans of both parties are looking through.
Independents are the unwanted of the political world, the outcasts, the deserters from both major parties. They’re the ones who want an American agenda, not a Democratic nor a Republican agenda. I’d say right now, most independents want inflation tackled and solved. They don’t care about the 1-6 hearings or the GOP trying to make Trump president again. They care about their thinning wallet, about being able to afford gas, housing, food, healthcare, presents for Christmas for the kids and more. All have higher priorities than the making of Trump or the 1-6 hearings. But neither party recognizes this. Both are too busy trying to please their shrinking base.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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Don't worry ... the fix is in.
Repubs run away with it ... and the return of the king is in the making 2024.
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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