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rporter314 #339687 12/20/21 09:30 PM
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RPorter Democracy is unraveling. In the US anyway. And that is the ultimate goal for the Trumpsters on the right. And they are almost there. They have almost achieved their Nirvana. The thing about authoritarian dictatorships is if they’re your authoritarian dictatorship it’s all good.

It’s only bad when it’s the other side.


Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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And this is what I am talking about. I don’t know about any of you but I’ve got firearms and I know how to use them:

https://www.newsweek.com/2021/12/31...r-if-trump-loses-2024-1660953.html?amp=1


Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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Just received this this AM. The good news is Biden has halted his drop in his overall approval. The bad news is his overall approval rating hasn’t risen. Although independents has increased his approval by 3 points from 34 to 37. Congress is still in the pits. But that is normal.

43% approve of the way President Joe Biden is handling his job
Biden's approval rating has been 42% or 43% each month since September
23% approve of the way Congress is handling its job

https://news.gallup.com/poll/358343...nt=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

If you scroll down to the graph below, you’ll see folks have always thought congress sucks. It goes from 2010 to today.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html

What’s hurting the Democrats is most folks think this country is headed in the wrong direction. In April 2021 it was 44% thinking the country was on the right track, 50% wrong track. Today it’s down to 31% right track, headed in the right direction, 61% say wrong track, headed in the wrong direction.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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I have probably posted something like this before but couldn't find it. Anyway, there are polls and then there are 'other' polls. Here is one that I kinda folloow:
https://www.predictit.org/markets/0/All?filterIds=&sort=newest&sortParameter= there are also a LOT of others. Here are some of those: https://www.mytopsportsbooks.com/politics/

The other ones are political betting places. The logic goes something like. People who vote on politics are putting their money where their mouths are, for the most part. This tends to mean that betting winners, as a group, therefore have a better idea who/what is going to win might be a better source for things political. I, for instance, took ten bucks and tried my hand. I lost it all. If nothing else it was educational and it took me almost a month to go broke with my ten bucks. I also tend to like the pridictit site over the others for absolutely no reason, other than it was started, and maintained, by a university in New Zealand which amused me.

Now, if somebody could meld all the polls and bets, I wonder what the result could teach us all.

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61% say wrong track

If 30% are incensed over mask mandates and mandatory vaccination, and 31% are incensed because we don't have universal mask mandates and more mandatory vaccinations, that equals 61% who think the country is going in the wrong direction. We saw this same sort of thing when people were asked about the ACA: Some felt any such program was socialism, some thought anything short of single-payer supported by taxes was stupid. Polls added those together and said a majority opposed it.

Vague questions like "Going in the wrong direction?" are always misleading. They shouldn't be in polls. If they want to report the truth, they need to ask specific questions. Anytime the country is so polarized, that kind of vague question will be useless.


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Useless, perhaps. Back in Nov 2010 74% of all Americans said the country was on the wrong track, the democrats lost 63 house seats and 6 senate seats. Nov 2012, that number was reduced to 51%, Obama won reelection. That number shot back up in Nov 2014 to 67%, the democrats lost 10 senate seats along with control of the senate and 13 house seats. 60% of Americans said the country was headed in the wrong direction Nov 2016, Trump won the presidency., barely. A fluke perhaps. 65% of Americans thought the country was on the wrong track in Nov 2018, the Republicans lost 44 house seats and control of the house. In Nov 2020, a whopping 71% of Americans thought the country was way off track, Biden won the presidency.

It seems the 60% mark is when change occurs as to the country heading in the wrong direction. 61% today that think the country is off track is right on the borderline to massive changes or big loses for the party in power. Of course, this is Dec 2021, not Nov 2022. This is dynamic, only 49% of Americans thought the country was headed in the wrong direction last May 2021. Since then there has been a steady climb to the present 61%. Useless, perhaps, but the right or wrong direction is a good indication of how an election will turn out along with several other indicators.

Some indicators for the midterms, right track/wrong track, congressional party favorable/unfavorable, the generic congressional ballot, the sitting president’s overall approval rating along with a president’s approval/disapproval on his handling of the economy, party affiliation percentages and a few more.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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David Sirota looks to have finally given up on Dem Corp with his latest piece:

“ Liberals and pundits in the capital have obediently tried to shift the blame for the impending political disaster to anyone other than the “get things done” president who was long touted as a legislative mastermind and Giant Of The Senate™. At the same time, there’s now a cottage industry of Washington media folk feigning confusion about why-oh-why Biden’s approval ratings have plummeted.”

The Democrats Are Trying To Lose

While Sirota thought there was some room for progressives in electoral politics and was not as strong an advocate of the January ‘Force the Vote’ push, it’s good to see he’s finally figured out what the Demcorp party is and what it represents,

While we I don’t look forward to ultraright rule, a collapse of one of the two major rightwing factions can be seen as a good thing.

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What I do, utilizing polls is to point out what America as a whole is thinking, feeling or what are their perspectives on things are
Gee ... If you ask any one of the politically elected insurrectionists, they would to a person answer the question, do you believe Pres Biden was legitimately elected, with ... their constituencies believe there was fraud. I don't give a flying frack what their idiot constituency believes .... I want to know what they believe!!!!!!!

The question is, is the Republican Party aka Trump Party trying to destroy America? No equivocation is necessary. I understand they don't think so, but one should consider from the perspective of the Founders. Will what Republicans are doing destroy America? If no, then some explanation is necessary.


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I think what we’re looking at is the Republicans regaining control of the house come November 2022. That the warnings about Trump and his followers destroying democracy are falling on deaf ears. With inflation the way it is, rising prices, etc. that is the most important issue to independents. Nothing else comes close. This group of voters decide elections. I know it’s hard to fathom for some, how can having to pay 3.50 for a gallon of gas instead of 2 dollars or 3 dollars instead of 2 for a loaf of bread be more important than the insurrection of 1-6.

Number one is rising prices effect these people’s lives personally. The Insurrection of 1-6 didn’t. Worries about being able to afford gas, food, clothes, housing, etc. has replaced any worries about Trump. Trump has become a non-entity for quite a lot of independents who will decide who controls what in the upcoming midterms. You seen the tip of the iceberg with the Virginia governor’s race results.

There’s no doubt that independents are dissatisfied with Biden and the Democratic controlled congress. A lot of that dissatisfaction comes directly from inflation. They don’t want to hear Trump this and Trump that. What they want to hear is when gas will drop back to 2 dollars a gallon, when a loaf of bread goes back to 2 dollars. They want to know when rising prices will begin to fall and shelves in stores are full again. When this COVID thing will be placed in the rear-view mirror so we can all get back to leading and living normal lives.

Independents aren’t political junkies. They pay little to no attention to the daily grind of politics. That is until an election nears. They’re non-affiliated, owe no loyalty to either political party. They ask the question is my life better today than it was yesterday. If it’s better, they’re more apt to vote for the party in power. If it’s worse, they’ll vote for the party out of power. Politics is quite simple with a lot of independents.

I also think that the threat to our democracy is something most independents can’t fathom or understand. What they do understand is their thinning to flat wallets. That’s what important to them today. Not some perceived or real threat that might take place in the future.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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also think that the threat to our democracy is something most independents can’t fathom or understand. What they do understand is their thinning to flat wallets. That’s what important to them today. Not some perceived or real threat that might take place in the future.
Hence our collective inability to solve any real problems. Here it is in a nutshell:

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Republicans - hell bent on cremating enemies arising from their fevered imaginations and warped delusions;
Independents - don't give a shiit about anything except their own tiny pod;
Democrats - want to do the right right thing but are too stupid to figure out what or how.

Don't look up...


You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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