Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Constitutional Issues John Avlon on Civil War II

An excellent piece.

A second Civil War?

Thanks for these, log. I spend a lot of time inside my apartment, excluding the outside world, and Idon’t think I’m as aware of this stuff as I could be…which may explain why I find it so frightening.

Or maybe it’s really that frightening.

I have made allusions to this topic several times on this site. My main wonderment is…is all of this rancor domestically created or are there foreign players involved, such as Russia or possibly China? Could be other external forces.

It seems to me a lot of this disinformation and attempts at dividing the US population is not all domestically created. Sure there is all the BS distributed widely on the Internet but humans by definition will devolve into various tribes because that is both culturally and DNA influenced behavior. Just as it is for all other animals on gawdz green earth. Although most humans seem to think they are above such DNA influenced behavior, because after all….they are human.

No?

I have a friend (D) who I used to rent shop space from and who later went on to manage the nonprofit forest restoration company that I started back in 1998. He retired from that in 2012 and returned to his “hobby” of hardrock mining. A libertarian and a prepper type, he has always distrusted the federal government, wanted to return to the gold standard for money, and has lately been mumbling about the inevitability of a civil war. Interestingly, he only talks a little bit about these things to me, but says much more to other mutual friends. Recently he caught the Covid (unvaxxed, of course) on a trip to Arkansas and had a middling serious experience with it. He was in the middle of doing some electrical and machine rehab work for me, and texted upon his return that he had Omicron but was slowly recovering, and I offered to go to the store, or whatever, if he needed (he lives alone but has a number of friends, both liberal and a range of RWNJ) and he said he was getting along. About ten days later he felt well enough to come back to work on my stuff. I have a guy (J - a “nomad” who has a consistent income from rentals in Califonia) who lives on the shop property and serves as security, and he helps around there a good amount, so he was hanging around D. D has been talking a lot to J and has said he didn’t have Covid (it was just the flu), and that he really fears the impending civil war is about to begin.

Finally, I’m getting around to the point.

In the Avlon piece (I think it was the civil war one - I watched four in a row) they made a point that many people earnestly believe in the conspiracy shiit and fear the government and fantasy enemies like antifa and BLM, and those fears fuel their foreboding of a coming civil war, which will draw them in to nobly defend America and our way of life. They believe they are victims, and the “other” is coming to get them.

So, using my friend and colleague D as an example, who will he actually go to war against? He has no enemies here. No one even argues with him concerning his fears, he doesn’t even bring them up to me - I have wondered at that, and am of the impression that it must be a mix of me being his occasional employer (though he works as an independent contractor) and being someone who usually has a problem solving approach to most every issue. So who’s he going to war with? The only possibility I can see is he imagines a scenario where the Gummit comes to get his guns and he will have to fight them to the death. Which, of course, is a fantasy.

That said, I can imagine some incidents where a group of crazy malcontents manage to organize and coalesce for a confrontation (Jan. 6 comes to mind), but it ends up in chaos. The so-called leaders are all wingnuts who won’t even take credit for their noble actions, instead letting the deluded fearbots, who they created through lies and propaganda, take the fall for them.

Why does there have to be a Civil War? Why not a simple divorce?

A divorce will not satisfy the extreme right's bloodlust to spill Liberal blood is one reason.

Is the post above hyperbole - even with its supporting link? Um...no.

I wonder what a simple divorce would look like…

Um,yeah. Even the easy ones aren’t easy… Believe me, I tried twice!

Welp, we would sit down like adults and divide the community property (states) and sign Agreements. Give everyone five years to move to where they want to enjoy their liberties and then start living separately as two.