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Is there anything that I said in my response that isn't true?
This part right here Jeffery....
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So okay, you're obviously in love with Vlad and all his fascist friends, thanks for making that clear,
It's bullshit. And you were very much wrapped up in Russiagate and there are rants to prove it. It was a hot topic in its day.
Just try to act like a gentleman, eh? Save the drama for the other forums.
#1, define what "Russiagate" actually is. I'm of the opinion that Russia contributed an awful lot of help to get Trump elected. I'm also of the opinion that Trump is and always was considered Putin's ace in the hole. Disproven? I don't think so. What else falls under Russiagate? Show us some of those rants. I think you're attempting to hold one person to a higher standard than everyone else who expended effort to find out exactly how far up Trump's ass Putin was.
#2, again, if I am the bad guy for expressing an opinion that someone loves Vlad, then I'm the bad guy. I'm comfortable with that and apparently so are the sources referenced in Chunk's post. But go ahead and label that a personal attack if you like.
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Here’s Amy Goodman’s interview with one of our last ambassadors to the Soviet Union, Jack Matlock, giving some historical context to the current crises and how we shoulder much of the blame:
If you care to go deeper into the history of this region, here’s a couple of offerings but they take some time to get thru.
Max Blumenthal, from the Grey Zone, with a deep interview of Alfred de Zara’s, an international legal scholar, on the roots of the current crises. It meanders a bit and de Zara goes on a bit with his resume but it is interesting and informative, IMO. He has no trouble talking about the fascist and neo-nazi elements in the Ukraine, though it’s brief:
If you just want an audio rundown, Trueanon has done a a real deep dive on it with Mark Ames from the popular ‘Radio War Nerd’ podcast. I believe he worked at ‘the Exile’ with Matt Tiabbi and Yasha Levin. A front row seat to the fun corrupt smash and grab of the Yeltsin family years. Much more history here of the Galacians, Banderstans and nazi pedigree up to the current day thats given the breakaway so much murderous grief. Brace Beldon was the Anarchist who fought in Rojova and has settled into a pretty successful podcast career doing deep dives into corruption with his co-host Liz Franek. Ames lived in Ukraine as well if I remember right.
Speaking of Yasha Levine, here’s another interview with his perspective as a Russian journalist with friends and family living in both countries. He was living and writing in LA until recently
Some very different people with different takes. Maidan was an American coup undertaken by ultra nationalist (aka fascists) and Nuland looks implicated. We broke our promises to not move NATO beyond reunited Germany. We’ve broken those promises.
Ok, nuff. Tough guy Biden, who’s not corrupt and his son really knows his hydrocarbons and that board seat was absolutely legit and not corrupt, has just come on to BS Americans. Sad part is, he’ll probably succeed. Propaganda works.
Here’s a brief article reprinted at journalist John Helmer’s web site ‘Dances with Bears’. Helmer is the longest serving independent journalist in Moscow if I’m remembering right. Once served the Carter administration. Anywho, it does a quick job of describing the military and naval bases that have been built up by the US and NATO in Ukraine making it, more or less, a defactoid NATO military base with a Russian invasion posture. It also mentions Zelensky’s shooting off at the mouth about having atomics staged in Ukraine at the security meeting in Munich on Feb 19. I’m persuaded that it was that announcement plus our refusal to offer any security guarantees nor negotiate with Russia in the run up to Munich that was the catalyst to invasion.
I don’t get terrestrial or cable corporate news. Does anyone know if they’re covering these extremely important issues? The build up of military bases, refusal to grant security guarantees or the broken promises we’ve made to Russia since the end of the USSR? Or is it more Emanuel Goldstein style hate fest, like the run up to our invasions of Iraq, Syria, Libya, Panama, Nicaragua etc etc etc?
If corporate media is ignoring these important issues and doing pop psychology of Putin or wild speculations of his motives, unconnected to real world disagreements and activities, that’s propaganda.
If you willingly repeat and amplify those phony messages, your doing propaganda, wittingly or not. Russiagating is a major example.
"Just now, a powerful barrage is underway. A missile hit the place where Babyn Yar memorial complex is located! Once again, these barbarians are murdering the victims of (the) Holocaust," Andriy Yermak, Zelenskyy's chief of staff, wrote in a tweet.
The party competed on one single party under "umbrella" party Our Ukraine in the 2012 Ukrainian parliamentary election, together with Ukrainian People's Party; this list won 1.11% of the national votes and no constituencies and thus failed to win parliamentary representation.[13][14] The party itself had competed in 28 constituencies and lost in all.[15][16]
In the 2014 Ukrainian parliamentary election, the party was electable on a nationwide list and it the participated in 8 constituencies; but its candidates lost in all of them and the party received only 0.05% of the votes nationwide and thus the party won no parliamentary seats.[17][18][19]
On 19 November 2018, the Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists and fellow Ukrainian nationalist political organizations Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, Right Sector and C14 endorsed Ruslan Koshulynskyi candidacy in the 2019 Ukrainian presidential election.[20] In the election Koshulynskyi received 1.6% of the votes.[21]
In the 2020 Ukrainian local elections, the party gained 17 deputies (0.03% of all available mandates).[22]
Yeah, sounds like somebody's messaging is a little twisted. I'm sure if you scratch the surface of any Eastern European country you'll find Far Right nationalists and nazi wannabes, because one doesn't even need to scratch over here, they're right on the surface...wearing big bright red hats that say MAGA.
But we're supposed to believe that Trump's bailout buddy Putin is a denazifier, yeah right. Sorry but if we're supposed to accept the notion that Ukraine is a new Far Right Nazi state, I don't think an adequate case is made here.
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Ukraine had one of the largest Jewish populations in the world. Most of them were extinguished in Russian pogroms and Nazi camps. Now they fight.
--And let us please not forget that "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a fabricated antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination, was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century, and played a key part in popularizing belief in an international Jewish conspiracy.
If Ukraine's Far Right militias are a growing issue, then so is the Far Right militia presence in our own military, as evidenced by Charlottesville and January 6th. Ukraine may need to do a lot of work on this for admittance to EU.
But I will continue to label statements about Russian de-nazification as nothing more than Trump style projection AND deflection...a shiny thing to distract attention away from the fact that Russia, and United Russia in particular, is the new mecca of fascist ideology.
But it's only "new AGAIN", as evidenced by The Protocols and its impact as perhaps the single greatest force amplifier on antisemitism the world has ever known.
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There are fascist elements in the Ukraine and have been on the LOC since 2015. They have been doing the dirty work happily there and have contributed to the 10k+ casualties in the Donbass.
Many of their groups have been incorporated into government national guard units. Many, though, are not and still fight at the LOC as independant paramilitary units. They have been dying the black and red strip ‘blood and soil’ flag. They’ve been playing a support role for the Ukraine military for awhile now.
They have a political component as well, having attained offices in the government and domestic police forces. As I understand it, they punch above their political weight by using intimidation of violence. Theres a track record here if you care to look at the record.
I’m not touching the elders of Zion your bringing into the discussion. The far right is not interested as much in the Jewish problem as it has with the Russian speaking Ukrainians. Hence the outlawing of the language, changing street names, etc..
This is a huge issue of the civil war there. The far right coup carried out with our assistance. Talkin about the Maidan ‘revolution’. You realize, don’t you Jeff, that Amerika always backs the far right when we meddle with the internal politics of client states? Zelensky’s election was a large protest against that coup.
He ran on a platform of having better relations with Russia as well as lowering the tension with the breakaway, Russian aligned, republics. Why he had a sudden break and started hollering for NATO inclusion and getting nukes is beyond my level of understanding. A deal he couldn’t refuse would be my guess. Ritter had some ideas in my previously posted interview video.
There’s going to be a lot of things bombed, tragically. I have no idea why you think s holocaust memorial getting destroyed proves anything. A good deal of images we’re seeing on social media as well as corporate news are turning out to be fakes. It’s authenticity aside, you realize it’s possible that far right nationalist have different goals and resentments indifferent parts of the world? I don’t think my understanding is twisted as much as your oversimplifying.
The fascist element is legitimate but not the only concern that Russia has at this point. They have been speaking loudly and plainly and, right up to their invasion, warning us- eff around and find out!’ With regard to the red line they articulated in the security proposal. A proposal we failed to credibly negotiate over.
I feel very bad for the Ukrainians but Vlad Putin is gambling on some good old-time conquest working while the world is weakened by multiple and complex problems. Many of which he helped orchestrate.
Ukraine is reporting 7000 Russian troops have been killed. This ain't gonna be a cakewalk.
There are fascist elements in the Ukraine and have been on the LOC since 2015. They have been doing the dirty work happily there and have contributed to the 10k+ casualties in the Donbass.
Many of their groups have been incorporated into government national guard units. Many, though, are not and still fight at the LOC as independant paramilitary units. They have been dying the black and red strip ‘blood and soil’ flag. They’ve been playing a support role for the Ukraine military for awhile now.
They have a political component as well, having attained offices in the government and domestic police forces. As I understand it, they punch above their political weight by using intimidation of violence. Theres a track record here if you care to look at the record.
---I'm aware of the record and also aware of "punching above their weight"...more on that later.
Originally Posted by chunkstyle
I’m not touching the elders of Zion your bringing into the discussion.
Yeah well, that's your choice but I am, because it's the main reason why antisemitism has continued to grow AND flourish, throughout the twentieth century AND this one. Qanon is indirectly related to the same type of blood libel, even if disparate Qanon splinter groups don't push the jew-hating side, the nuts and bolts of how it works are interchangeable and that's a convenient bonus for the folks who fund Qanon.
A good deal of images we’re seeing on social media as well as corporate news are turning out to be fakes.
I see, so "fake news" and "false flags", right?
Look, the entire free world has decided that they aren't interested in Putin's arguments, or his justifications. Meanwhile, I'll wait while you dig up the proof that everything (or most everything) we're seeing about the Russian invasion is fake, but you're still going to have to convince the rest of the free world, and the mountain of banks and corporations who have decided to get behind squeezing the life out of the Russian economy.
I kinda have my doubts that trillions of dollars worth of corporate power want to fall in line for the sheer fun of it, because we've already seen what "our corporate overlords" are capable of doing when they DON'T like or DON'T believe something. That's why tobacco is still legal and weed is just barely so, that's why the CDC isn't allowed to release gun death figures, that's why screeching CRT!! CRT!! CRT!! can get hundreds of teachers fired, that's why a lot of what working people desperately need is denied to them year in and year out.
But suddenly hundreds of well heeled financial interests and nearly every country in the West are giving Putin the thumbs down because of some vast conspiracy, I guess? Is it "the deep state?"
