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The Grayzone is a left-wing[2] to far-left[9] news website and blog[13] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[10] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[14] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[3] The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe[3][15][16][17] and it is known for its sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes[3][11][18] and its denial of the Uyghur genocide.[22]

I am not interested in debating whether Ukrainians made sound choices in Zelensky, but the fact is, he's enjoying robust support.
I can't vote in Ukraine and neither can anyone else in this forum, so it's a moot point.

Here is what I am interested in...the long term goals of Vladimir Putin, namely dismantling democracies around the world and replacing them
with authoritarian regimes.
BONUS HINT!! They won't be COMMUNIST regimes, or even remotely leftist, that's a guarantee.

If Ukraine was, in fact, already a part of the Russian Federation since 2000, or even since 1998, would it be safe to say that Putin might attempt to leverage some kind of assault on another country in the buffer region?
I think so. I think he'd set his sights on destabilizing Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Moldova, Estonia, Turkey, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Macedonia, Albania, Slovenia, and finally... ??

He can do that with a lot less effort if NATO itself is destabilized and effectively neutered, yes?
Let's see, which American president did his level best to neuter NATO?
Name's on the tip of my tongue...

Does anyone actually think that Putin would be satisfied enough to withdraw if he takes Ukraine?
Does anyone actually believe that getting rid of NATO solves our problems?
Does anyone think that it is remotely possible that some folks on the Far Left believe that Putin knows what's best for the world today?

SEE: Useful idiot Donald Trump

If anyone can conclusively prove that the overwhelming MAJORITY of Ukrainians see Vladimir Putin as a hero, let them "speak now or forever hold their peace."

Every country has their MAGAts.

I like this article from the Jerusalem Post in its intent to provide cover for supporting a side in the conflict by dismissing the aims of Russia’s ‘denazification’ rational to invade. While I don’t believe it’s the main reason, taking Mearsheimer‘s strategic balance of power rational as a main driver, it’s been reported on that thefailure to get The Minsk agreement implemented was on account of the persistent thwarting by the fascist elements in Ukraine’s government and military.

“ While Ukraine, along with many other European countries, has far-right political parties and neo-Nazi organizations, the fact that since its turn to the West in 2014, there have been prominent Jews in the Ukrainian government and its current president is Jewish make this claim seem ludicrous.….

…. The battalion has been a bastion of neo-Nazis and extreme right-wing figures. As an independent militia, Azov originally sported the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel symbol which resembles a black swastika on a yellow background, and its founders came from the ranks of a paramilitary national socialist group called “Patriots of Ukraine.” It was also accused of committing torture and war crimes.

Ok, so far so good. Recognizing this internal political and military problem is real. But here’s the ‘nothingburger’ attempt at justifying the support of a side in an 8 year civil war that has neonazi elements-

“ However, since its incorporation into Ukraine's official armed forces it has moved away from neo-Nazism, and a Ukrainian Jewish group as early as 2016 did not oppose lifting the US ban.”

Huh! So if you’ve incorporated neonazi elements into official armed forces those elements are no longer fascist neonazis?…. How so?
What about the possibility that the reverse is also as likely? The Ukrainian military becomes more fascist by harboring, well, fascists within it.

If you’ve not been paying attention to these internal conflicts in Ukraine it’s doubtful you would know about the undermining of the Minsk agreements, to reunify the breakaway republics and end the ongoing paramilitary violence there, by these same fascists elements. My understanding is the hardcore have been put into leadership roles at the troop level. Placing them there is an insurance policy that the regular troops won’t dare surrender and risk being killed by same.

I fear without the ability for a quick surrender, the difficult task of overcoming resistance will mean a lot more bloodshed. With us assistance as usual. We seem determined to fight to the last Ukrainian.

Partition looks inevitable and the west will have a far right buffer state in western Ukraine full of fascist right wing neonazis anc far right ultranationalist. You know.., freedom fighters.

Should go well. Hasn’t it always?

Max Blumenthal has interesting parents. His dad having been in the vanguard with the merging of the Democratic Party and corporate media.

The greyzone is a muck racking investigative journalist site. Yes, it leans left. Depending on where you fall on the political spectrum, that may be a good thing or not. They do, however, good investigative journalism and not prapoganda, though more and more people seem to not know the difference .

I like your comic book level of thinking Jeff. Don’t ever change.

Radio Free Europe, 2018:

‘ For the Ukrainians, too, the benefits extended outside the ring. It marked a step toward legitimizing Azov among its counterparts in the West and set in motion what appears to be its next project: the expansion of its movement abroad.’
Azov sets its sites on American streets

I’d be happy to go thru the entire political spectrum of journalism Tat. I’m not sure if your problem is with the left or understanding the reality of the situation in the Ukraine with regard to rising Eastern European facism?

What’s wild, having started this thread initially, is the ‘your either with us or Putin’.
I’m not with either for the record. Just noting the hard right shift of the Blueanon posters. What’s inconvenient to them is taken as heresy and proof of your no allegiance.

The reality is propaganda when it contradicts their world view. A neonazi situation in the Ukraine can’t exist if doing so would support Putin’s narrative. Hence, a far right, reality can’t exist or, it’s minor enough to ignore.

This after Charlotte having taken place, it was impossible for a time not to hear about the neonazi threat.

Wild.