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I don’t expect anyone to do anything they don’t want too. You think everyone reads your posts?

I wonder when the they’ll get around to calling em freedom fighters..

‘ With Russian forces besieging Mariupol, in which 120,000+ ethnic Greeks live, SKAI news spoke with a Mr Kiouranas who lives in the city and exposed that Ukrainian “fascists” are killing people for trying to leave the city.’

Greeks in Mariupol

Wonder which will turn out to be more accurate? Your posts claiming Russian troops were shelling a Nuclear power plant or there being fascist units using human shields?

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Interesting view from India. Wasn’t India one of a number of non-aligned nations from the Cold War? Anyway, Arnad is a bombast and aligns politically with the BJP. Apparently, the views he’s expressing has support even with opposition parties. Our imposing sanctions on India for not voting the ‘right way’. We being the mockracy lovers may have contributed to the views he’s expressing. Dunno. Worth checking out what another important country is saying. For some. Oddly, he had Doctorow on and took the opposite tack earlier this week. He was so offensive to Doctorow that he wound up leaving the panel discussion. Doctorow claimed, after the confrontation, that his readership of Indians shot up to 2nd. largest readership, behind the US. Maybe Arnad has his finger in the wind and is acting accordingly?


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Huh.. How are they gunna keep neonazis down on the farm after they’ve seen Ukraine. One wonders about blowback similar to what we saw arming ultra conservative mujahadeen back in the 70’s. On the other hand, I smell a selling opportunity.

Newsweek March 2023

‘ Like Kuzmenko, Brunson emphasized that Putin's pretext for intervention is cynical, and Ukraine has little choice but to accept any and all help from wherever it can be found, "despite the risk of far-right groups perhaps discrediting the resistance."
Far right joins the fight

What BS Newsweek is hosing with here. Joins the fight? It’s been leading the fight for 8 years. Far right ultranationalist and neonazis have been understood as a force in Eastern European nations and Ukrain in particular for over a decade. If you were paying attention anyhow. If not, well, you might not understand why you’ve got neonazis on your ‘side.

Also, the statement that ‘Putin saying he was only going to fight neonazi units’ is flat out BS, IMO. I don’t recall him saying anything like that in his speeches before or during the invasion. Unless someone here can recall it. I can’t. I do believe the Russians know that far right nationalist have been a major impediment to having the Minsk agreement implemented.

I think this piece is trying to inject a rational for it being OK to have neonazis on ‘our’ side. But hey, if Israelis can send them weapons who are we to argue?

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https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/03/01/three-things-part-1-cognitive-dissonance-and-ukraine/

This gets me to my main point. I read non-interventionists (Cato, Mearsheimer) writing that we should not have pushed Ukraine to join the EU and NATO. In my view, this is much more about Ukraine’s autonomy and wish to be a fully functioning democracy. Many with whom I worked are now getting bombed or fleeing.

Eureka says:
March 1, 2022 at 8:28 am

Oh good lord. If you’re invoking Mearsheimer — just like the Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs did yesterday (see via Ioffee below) — I urge you to read Michael McFaul’s thread from February 18, 2022:

Michael McFaul: “Lots of people in my feed recently keep referencing Professor Mearsheimer as the great explainer of the current Russia-Ukraine conflict. I have some thoughts. THREAD 1/”
https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1494588830002790406
3:25 AM · Feb 18, 2022

[…]

“On Ukraine, I think Mearsheimer is wrong. It is not the US fault that Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014 and might do so again now. We debated these issues in @ForeignAffairs w/ @SSestanovich years ago: Faulty Powers [link] via @ForeignAffairs
4/”

[…]

Julia Ioffe: “Congratulations to everyone who made this happen. [QRT MFA Russia, who links, screenshots. and states in part “Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault” article by John J. Mearsheimer (@ForeignAffairs, 2014).” ]”
https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1498414742175633410


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If the war had ended quickly Putin could have claimed anything he wanted and in a Trumpian move...whatever he said would have been the truth.

But, just like Trump, Putin has surrounded himself with lackeys who won't give him information that he doesn't want to hear. He has grossly miscalculated many facets of his invasion.

Putin and Russia are destined to lose this war.


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Some of us have been stating over the years that an expansionist NATO into Russia’s area of interest is not a wise idea. Given that he, and a host of others in the diplomatic core, we’re warning that the current situation could very well be the result if we continued with those policies, it looks like the results were now seeing has proven them to be right.

Considering the amount of death and destruction brought on by NATO aggression over the last twenty years, it seems disingenuous to suddenly have democratic pieties being used as cover for those same policies.

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Originally Posted by chunkstyle
Some of us have been stating over the years that an expansionist NATO into Russia’s area of interest is not a wise idea. Given that he, and a host of others in the diplomatic core, we’re warning that the current situation could very well be the result if we continued with those policies, it looks like the results were now seeing has proven them to be right.

Considering the amount of death and destruction brought on by NATO aggression over the last twenty years, it seems disingenuous to suddenly have democratic pieties being used as cover for those same policies.

Questions:

Do you think that the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians are neo-Nazis and antisemites?
Do you think that the Ukrainian people cast a fair vote in the Zelensky election?
Do you think that the Ukrainian desire for sovereign self determination is valid?


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Some of us have been stating over the years that an expansionist NATO into Russia’s area of interest is not a wise idea.

F*ck Russia. And the horse they rode in on. They need to be working with Europe and the United States, and really, the rest of the world, towards achieving some form of global unity.

The United States is also an assh*le. That goes without saying. But some efforts are always underway to make it less of an assh*le.

Russia just attacked a peaceful, democratic neighbor. Like the US attacking Canada or Mexico. No efforts are underway to make Putin less of an assh*le since these usually result in poisoning.

It's going about as well as the Jan 6 attack on the Capital.

NATO can and must, in this instance, be seen as the good guys.


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I’m guessing the country gets partitioned, giving Russia the buffer state it’s looking for.

I also think Russia’s in the first phase. A reconnaissance in force with the boot coming down hard in the coming days. Putin’s not the sole decision maker here. General Staff, DefMin are involved. I don’t know if Chechnya’s hunter brigades have been deployed yet. They were called up. I’m afraid they haven’t really started the assault on the cities yet. I really hope I’m proven wrong. Those Ukrainian citizens handed all those mockracy weapons are going to get slaughtered.

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NATO just helped kill a million Iraqis
Thousands in Libya. Syria.

NATO is what NATO has been doing. I’m not going to defend their record.

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