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“ Politicians, pundits and corporate media all tell us to “stand with Ukraine” and to call Putin a war criminal. American presidents are never connected to war crimes, even when they invade Iraq and kill thousands of people, destroy Libya and kill thousands of people, or enact sanctions and steal government assets that kill thousands of people. The war criminal category is only deemed appropriate for leaders the U.S. doesn’t like.”

U.S. liberals are the worst perpetrators of Russophobic behavior

BAR calling it like it is, as they always do.

Some of the interesting information that came out of Mariupol was the anger and resentment you read from Azov battalion about being mislead and abandoned by Kiev. Posts on Twitter and the Azov Facebook account in particular. The breakout attempt by units trying to head north where their was Ukranian support looked doomed and ill advised. Throwing what was left of their armored transport in the lead and using civilian vehicles to try to transport troops in the wake only resulted in more killed and captured Ukranians.
Pure speculation but much of the comments of Azov being mislead or betrayed may not be just coming from anger and desperation. What if it’s true?
Recall Zelensky’s election victory came with a mandate to improve relations with Russia and end the civil war in the east. Once in office, however, he quickly found out that any movement in that direction would wind up getting his throat slit by the far right (dare we say nazi) political faction surrounding him and still are. They were unambiguous with their threats of violence if he dared move in any direction towards negotiating a peace settlement.
So if your Zelensky looking for a way out of the mess, caught between the US and its nato trained fascists on one side and the Russian, DPR and LPR troops on the other how heck do you find a way to the negotiating table with a knife at your throat?
Would removing that knife help? Maybe it’s not so bad to be rid of the military wing of the Nazis?
Pure speculation here. Could just be simple incompetence of western military advisors not understanding the war that’s being fought. Lord knows there’s plenty of recent record for that. Zelensky also has the fascists in his immediate circle to deal with. But his willingness to agree to Russia’s terms in the Turkey negotiations, statements of anger at the west lack of negotiating on their behalf makes me wonder at those Azov posts. As Parenti always asks - ‘who’s benefitting’?

You mean this? Donbas region. No, I haven’t. Actually, I couldn’t find anything related to “… shelling by Ukraine forces into civilian areas…”
You are too eager to mischaracterize my statements into things that fit your need for argument. I have not taken any position, except to say that I see no upside or justification to what is going on. I would say that Putin’s invasion is clearly an act of escalation, do you agree?

My question is what is an appropriate response, as I stated earlier. I could assume what your opinion is, but prefer that you tell us in your own words… what is an appropriate response to Putin’s invasion?

Bruno is a freelance correspondent that currently writes for the French newspaper La Figaro.

A full report is due out from him. Possibly today.

Not bothering to explain bit-chute. Stay with your trusted brands would be my advice. They’re doing youmans work of weeding out anything uncomfortable for you. Not letting anything dirty get thru..

I have responded to your question of what should be the response. This whole thread has been a response.
You can’t expect a serious discussion on this crises without context. I have been given my understanding of the context for the current crises much of which has been met with derision, insult or denial.

Yes, much of the past years news coverage had been swamped by the current deluge of news coming out related to ‘Donbas’, ‘shelling’, ‘civilians’ etc… Combined with the very public pronouncements of media platforms and search engine platforms, selectively weeding out any information that cuts against the media/government narratives, we now have one of the most difficult information environments to navigate. As I’ve stated earlier.


But this is old news. I’ve have given plenty of links from a broad political spectrum on this crises, covering ground that seems to be unbroken by you. The fact that you haven’t paid attention to this area of long-standing conflict does not mean that it hasn’t been covered or discussed.

Here’s one of our best Russian experts calling it years ago. Sadly, he wax ridiculed and discredited by the neocons and liberals who’ve gone all in on Russophobia.



What specifically about deescalation is confusing?

Stop sending arms, allow Zelensky to negotiate a peace and save the lives of the remainder of his military. Stop US interference in that process.

Nah gunna happen. The American Neocons are fanatics and won’t allow it. Do you know what a neoconservative is and what they believe?

I showed you mine, you gunna show me yours now?

Yeah, maybe it's a matter of how dirty you want to get your hands while weeding through the relevant news. Maybe I'm missing a few viewpoints and radical European views, Maybe I'm not digging deep enough and sorting through enough random obscure journalists reporting on random obscure facts gathered from random obscure former something-or-others.

I'm not sure I know what you want me to do with all this information?

I have the power to vote every two years. Beyond that, it's just political theater that doesn't affect me in the slightest and that I haven't the slightest chance of changing.

Perhaps your opinions are better informed and more valuable than mine. But you have exactly the same power to change things that I do. Vote early and vote often if you hope to change the world.

Looks like Sweden and Finland are going to join NATO and force Russia to spend billions fortifying another border with nuclear weapons. Poor poor Russia beleaguered at every front...nothing to do but bomb the sh*t out of everybody.

I still have yet to see ANY Nazis being frog marched out of Ukraine.
I see tons of dead kids, grandmothers, mothers, teachers, doctors.... even dead dogs and cats.
Are they the Nazis Putin keeps talking about?

La figaro is a two hundred year old news publication employing Bruno as a foriegn correspondent. Sorry if you didn’t like the wrapper the interview came in.

You’ve asked that already. I’ve answered
You don’t see Nazis as I recall.
Russiagaters all seem to have this affliction. Odd that..

Charlotte.. no problem
Ukraine… never heard of em

Happy birthday to them! Still, random and obscure. Perhaps their articles are better informed and better written than the articles in other news publications. It's unlikely you'd approve of any news source I might link.

You already told me that the plight of Russians in Russia as reported in some other news publication by some other reporter was spouting nonsense. Yet your 200 year old French news publication trumps all and must be taken as the truth. Spare me.

It's a two-way street. I'm willing to meet you in the middle but first you have to admit there is a middle.