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La figaro random and obscure?

Ok then.

I said ‘may prove’ not ‘does prove’. It’s a provoked war. Some claims will never be proven, some will. Only a fool would say one report proves without doubt.

‘ Le Figaro (French pronunciation: ?[l? fi?a?o]) is a French daily morning newspaper founded in 1826 and published in Paris.[9] It is the oldest national newspaper in France and one of the three French newspapers of record, along with Le Monde and Libération.[9]’

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You really should be embarrassed with that remark but I doubt you will be.

Most of them are. Every bloodthirsty tyrant who has ever amassed forces to attack a neighbor had provocation of some sort. Usually economic.

Yes, NATO kept poking and poking at Vlad Putin until he just couldn't take anymore and bombing the sh*t out of Ukraine was the only possible solution. Just as bombs must be put in place to use against Finland and Sweden.

No one is guiltless but only one is holding the smoking gun.

As always, I'm more concerned with the future than the past. It's not how we got ourselves into this that matters, but how we get out of it.

Or in the case of World Wars...if we get out of it.

I'm stocked up on weed, if the bombs start to fall tomorrow I'll stay high until the radiation sickness kills me.

Or as is more likely, life will continue pretty much as usual here in sunny Central Florida and I will read with shock more reports of Russian atrocities and the stoic and heroic defense of the Ukrainian homeland just as others have read reports in other countries about other wars as they went about their daily business.

There is some kernel of truth to every story, but trying to absorb it all and make sense of it is way above my pay grade. I'm just a simple carpenter.

Agreed. Times of weed and no money are better than money and no weed.

Yeah. Life has taught me to get all sides of the story and question authority. It’s why I go beyond Ukranian spokespeople being filtered, amplified and repeated by our media.

A media proven itself to be a willing partner complicit in selling rumor as fact and picking good guys and bad guys since broad sheets were first produced.

One of the watering holes from Helmers ‘Dances with Bears’ that I drink at had an interesting article about ‘where do we go from here’. The longest serving independent news outlet operating in Moscow since the Soviet era. I’d link but if it’s another Russiagate circle jerk that everyone insists the rant be, who the h#ll am I to refuse it.

I’ll stick to the economic ramifications. Little more cut and dry.

What’s that Silicon Valley disruption slogan?

Move fast and break things?

Sounds about right for our state dept:

Inflation rose at fastest pace in 40 years

How do you de-escalate an invasion by a lunatic that has entered your country with a large military force and is Indiscriminately destroying it?

It sounds like you think we forced Putin into a corner and he is therefor justified in his actions, and will respond to rational negotiations if only given the chance. I doubt that.

I have said multiple times that it is a no-win situation, and there are no good choices. You have said multiple times that I support warring with Russia - perhaps you know my mind better than I do?

And, I have opened all of your links and am not persuaded of anything by any of them.

https://readerrant.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=250015#Post250015

And I’ve never been persuaded by any of your musing and characterizations.
You seem to have made up your mind on Putin. Good for you!

As far as you ‘what is truth?’ link, whats gas doing around you? How much they getting for potash?

You mention that the war was provoked... can you describe what provocation occurred that justifies military invasion of another country and war crime levels of indiscriminate destruction?

One of the links I provided to you avers that Russia has been provoking Ukraine in the Donbas region ever since Crimea was appropriated... was Crimea a provocation as well?

Fuel prices are high, due so far entirely to speculation (ain't Capitalism grand?), but not at historic highs adjusted for inflation - energy prices are unrealistically low, anyway. Time to get real and smart. As for potash, why would I give a rat's ass about that?

Up until a couple of weeks ago, two groups agreed that Russia is the real victim in all of this: The extreme Right (Trumpers) and the extreme Left.

Now two lawmakers, a senator (Steve Daines) and a representative (Victoria Spartz) will visit Ukraine.
One of them, Ms. Spartz, is a Ukrainian immigrant.
Both are Republicans...shocker?

Daines is among ELEVEN senators who attempted to support overturning the 2020 election results, but he stopped short and reversed his position on counting Montana's votes.
For Spartz, the Russian invasion of Ukraine is rather personal, and she had been in the process of planning a personal trip there anyway when the opportunity for an official visit was realized.

It will be very interesting to see how much pressure two Republicans can put on the pro-Putin wing of the GOP, who aren't even trying to hide their true feelings about democracy anymore.

I suppose I COULD bemoan the fact that no Democrats in Congress had scheduled a trip, but then again, I do not know if Zelenskyy invited any from that party.
He might have felt he could drive his point home better if Republicans saw the war firsthand, since he already knows he enjoys Democratic Party support.

Is Chunks really saying that Russia is the victim here? That's the way it looks, but he's being awfully coy about saying it plainly.

I wonder why he doesn't just say it? Myself, I can't get my mind around what could justify invading another country and blowing the shiit out of everything, including civilians, schools, apartment buildings, hospitals, etc., even if if that country did it to you first.

And somehow the U.S. forced Putin to do this? So we could get in a war with Russia? It's been a month and a half, what're we waiting for if that was the objective?

Is there a Leftist Q-Anon?