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You mean like if we "annex" Baja California by force, evict, starve or kill ALL Mexican nationals, move in a few hundred thousand white Christian fundamentalists and claim that Baja was always part of America anyway?

You seem to need to mischaracterize and charactour

It’s a civil war by 2015. My ‘sense’ of you is you only woke up to the situation when it escalated to a Russian invasion (excuse me, military operation) in early March. What led the civil war logs? Your smart.

Or are you fukking retarded?

Jeeze Jeff,

Didn’t you convince yourself the people in eastern Ukraine shouldn’t be living there in the first place? Something about Voldemort and the famines and genocide makes Russian speaking peoples of eastern Ukraine illegitimate people? That they didn’t have a right to exist there or something like that?

Nope.

This you?

“ And when I hear Putin giving the reason for his war as "we're denazifying Ukraine" I actually hear "mumble mumble The Struggle against Kurkul Influence in Collective Farms".
Here's a fun fact:
Areas depopulated by the Holodomor famine were resettled by Russians in the Zaporizhzhya, Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts, but not as much so in central Ukraine.
Things that make you go Hmmmmmm.

One could almost say that the very ROOT events that BEGAN all the division of Ukrainian and "Russianized" Ukrainians stretch ALL the WAY BACK TO Holodomor.”

Where were you going with that one? Some loose suggesting to be sure but I have to wonder at the someone who denies there’s Nazis in Ukraine…

Aw Jeeze Jeff, even the Canadian press knew about Ukranian Nazis. And they should, they got a bit of a problem with some of the ww2 refugees that settled up there from Ukraine. Heck, their deputy prime minister’s granddad was kinda one.

From Oct. 2021: Far-right extremists in Ukrainian military bragged about Canadian training

From Nov 2021: Allegations of Canadian troops training neo-Nazis

Yet your unable to see any..
hmmmm….

Ro Khanna could see em in 2018:
Congress bans arms to Ukraine militia linked to neo-Nazis

He’s like you now though, Jeff . He doesn’t know what your talking about when he’s asked about it.

Al jazeerah sees em: Who are Ukraine’s far-right Azov regiment?

John Conyers seen em: U.S. lawmakers have voted to block ... a Ukrainian unit with neo-Nazi members

None of the russiagaters do…

How..odd..

Anyways. It doesn’t matter. We’re well past it being important and we all know now who will jump in bed with Nazis based on s fairytale meant to frame a lost election election from a poor campaign. Sad but here we are.

The civil war was between the Ukrainian government and Russia backed separatists.

After all the exchange in this topic, you still haven’t given a reason why Putin is justified in a massive, indiscriminately destructive military invasion into Ukraine. Or why Russia was a major player in the civil war.

I take your avoidance of answering simple questions, and emotional sensitivity accompanied by odd personal insults, to be evidence that your worldview of the situation is seriously gaslighted.

“There have been claims that the EU can make it through the summer even if gas imports from Russia are cut because there is enough gas in storage. Still, Brussels has stopped short of imposing an embargo on Russian gas, with Germany admitting it cannot afford one.“

U.S. Natural Gas Prices To Spike As Exports Boom

You’ve become tedious yet again Logs.
You do what you always do. Run out on the field blowing a referee’s whistle and then proceed to have a bad faith argument. I have given multiple reasons from senior state diplomats as to the reasons why this invasion occurred and could have been avoided.

You claimed to have open said links and found nothing convincing. Former Russian ambassadors, NATO intelligence officers, career diplomats, nope. Logs saw nothing of merit cept his own personal belief that ‘Putin bad’. ‘Putin Lies’

Oddly, Russian policy expert Gilbert Doctorow’s article that I lead with at the start of this thread (well before the invasion, err military peace keeping mission for domestic readers) predicted just this sort of thing as the likely outcome. Must be something Doctorow is able to understand and your incapable of Logs. Looks like an inherent problem of yours I’m not qualified to help you with.

I’ll end this doomed conversation with you by saying it’s no ones job to justify Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to you. Understanding why and the circumstances surrounding it seems a better use of your time.

Understanding does not mean justifying. Is that a concept you can grasp or does comprehension equate to justification?