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Did you go back and look?

The “Nazis” are shelling the Donbas region again. I thought Putin got rid of them?

As the guy who married Linda Beckerman (now deceased first wife - before Karen) I find this particularly hilarious.
Barry Beckerman was the producer of Red Dawn.

https://twitter.com/BrotherJulius83/status/1512177211306127360

PS: Before I even met Linda, I already knew John Milius because I was friends with and worked with surf film legend Hal Jepsen.

Yeah, I find you arguing in bad faith and become insulting when the conversation doesn’t go your way.

‘ Are all Ukrainians gearing up to defend their homeland neo-Nazis and racist reactionaries? Of course not. Even so, as Russia hawkism reaches a fever pitch in Washington and Westminster, it’s instructive to see our media erase any fact that might mar an otherwise simple, moralistic narrative—Brave Liberal Democrats Face Down Kremlin. To insist on the inconvenient facts is tantamount to “amplifying Russian propaganda,” as a GOP Hill staffer accused me of doing recently.’

The New Conservative. Feb 22.

Seems to be a reactionary phenomenon others are experiencing as well.

I’ll stick to what’s been happening and you do you.

Congrats.

I'd sure like to see an example of those things. Pretty strong accusations - I always wonder if I see my comments way differently that others read them. My sense is not that I was arguing with you, more of asking you questions about what you were saying. Can you show me where I was doing the following?

1) arguing in bad faith
2) insulting you when the conversation doesn't go my way

Thank you.

Logs:

‘ The civil war was between the Ukrainian government and Russia backed separatists.

After all the exchange in this topic, you still haven’t given a reason why Putin is justified in a massive, indiscriminately destructive military invasion into Ukraine. Or why Russia was a major player in the civil war.

I take your avoidance of answering simple questions, and emotional sensitivity accompanied by odd personal insults, to be evidence that your worldview of the situation is seriously gaslighted.’

Chunks:

As far as RUSSIA’s justification, I believe it was the UN’s article 51.

That’s not me invoking article 51. That’s Russia.

See the difference Logs?


Logs:

Weird... must be 'the fog of gaslight...'

I ask questions seeking clarification and understanding, and given no straight answers, I'm written off as stupid and uncomprehending.

Go figger.



You asked. I answered and you responded in what I’ve found to be a usual manner by you,

Chunks horrible. Logs a victim.


You asked for the justification and I told you what I believed was used by Russia. Article 51. The same article 51 that we used to do Iraq, Btw.

Hahahahaha!

Alrighty, then! I have learned my lesson...

What was the lesson then Logs?

I can’t think of an effective diplomatic strategy for the U.S./Ukraine camp to have used against Putin’s invoking of Article 51. As I understand it, Article 51 action basically is this: “I am afraid of you so I am going to attack and neutralize you with my superior force and moral right.” Was that a legitimate justification for Putin to invade Ukraine with a large military force?

Isn’t that what George Zimmerman used as a justification for killing Trayvon Martin? The ‘Stand Your Ground’ rationale for being an aggressor? Probably Trayvon should have been more diplomatic, but the same question applies - what sort of diplomacy would have worked with George?