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Putin is now saying that Western involvement in the conflict might force him to use nuclear weapons inside Ukraine.

It's possible that our tax dollars helping Ukraine kick Russia's ASS will ignite the nuclear war that ends life on this planet.

You are right! There are, obviously, choices to make. The problem is that Putin wants his way and Nuclear is one of his options which he can threat with. If he really does that then our side will also have a choice to make. The whole thing scares the sh*t out of me! I suspect that makes me a coward.

If we don't do what we are doing Putin will continue to all countries to Russia. He has made no bones about that one. Apparently living under Russian rule is something that's not real fun. Remember, Ukraine actually preferred the Nazis to Russia! In other words Putin will keep on going, and accumulating, and stealing, and lying, blowing things up, killing children and raping the women until he is stopped. He has nukes and threaten with them on a regular basis. I personally think that we have no choice unless we too want to live in Russia where them in charge will continue to take everything for themselves.

I have no idea how this whole thing is going to shake out. I do know that just about anybody who has any power has gone to Russia and attempted to talk to Putin and they have all failed. Putin is not going to change! My own thought is to wonder if there is anybody in Russia who knows the facts and really don't want to die and can deal with Putin. I personally don't think so but the thought is comforts me. All the people who understand the results of a Nuclear war is the complete destruction of anybody involved and, probably, the end of the world as we know it. NOBODY WINS!

Ukraine is, right now, bombing stuff in Russia and when we give them more stuff they will be getting bombed even more. I don't see where we actually have any choices on this one. I also think that the Ukraine is going to win this one. Russia's army is a bunch of untrained kids as the best of their army was destroyed by Ukraine at the beginning of their attack (they say). Their equipment's technology is, apparently, 1950 tech and the stuff we are sending is up to date and, I think, Putin is starting to understand that.

I, as usual, wish us all luck!

A person like me pounding the war drum would make me a bona fide chickenhawk.
So don't expect me to urge us all to war.
That having been said, I did grow up in a DoD family, so it's not like I have never heard talk of war.
I have a videotape that I shot of my parents' 40th anniversary, (1985, one year before his death) and they had a big party out in the back yard with all kinds of DoD guests and some associated notables, including Albert Wohlstetter, who was a personal friend of my father.

Maybe I should post it online to share it.
You might be interested in some of the stuff my mic picked up, particularly the parts about how the Soviets can be counted on to screw it up royally when it comes to high tech.
Sure, when it comes to things like tanks, conventional missiles, incendiary bombs and the like, Russian stuff is heavy and quite durable. Even Russian aircraft present a formidable threat in the skies.

But there's a reason why Ukrainian pilots are now over the moon as they train on a shipment of F16's this week.

https://twitter.com/lilygrutcher/status/1519801775905284096


Almost everyone at that party in 1985 is dead now, certainly Wohlstetter, Mom, Dad and just about anyone else who was in frame.
Anyway, the point is, the muckety mucks at DoD have been quite certain about Russia's relationship with sophisticated stuff like nuclear weapons. They can be counted on to test like crazy, even blowing up large bombs in the atmosphere.
But the question is, can they be counted on to actually deliver in the heat and fog of war.

It's not like I am saying we can relax and that there's nothing to worry about. But it is like saying that if it's possible to extend "a little help" in sabotaging their command and control, it might not be that difficult, and when it comes to coordinating precise strikes with hardware that really works when it is supposed to, there's a 50-50 chance of duds and an even bigger chance too many drunks may be asleep at the switch.

Case in point

Russian commander ‘killed himself after learning 90% of his tanks were useless’



I'm imagining more than a few nuclear missile silos may be suffering from similar issues where, for example, "electronic equipment with precious metals inside had been stripped."

So they go to insert their missile keys "TO END THE WORLD" and get a Russian version of The Blue Screen of Death.

If I remember correctly, when Russia ordered a sub to nuclear bomb the United States, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, a single officer, on that sub, said "NO' and stopped a nuclear war. He is considered a hero.

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/the-man-who-saved-the-world-about-this-episode/871/

One can only hope? (I know - wishful thinking AND unlikely)

Yup, I told my son about him, Vasili Arkhipov, the man who saved the world from thermonuclear war, last night when we were discussing the possibility of WW3.

Putin blinked.

I watched an hour-long video that really explained what went wrong for Russia, the gist of which is, they didn't prepare for this war, and blew their budget on prestige items and legacy junk. The title is "All Bling, no Basics - Why Ukraine has embarrassed the Russian Military"

Watching it now, that young feller is pretty smart.

Last night I watched a show which described just how much theft and looting was taking place in Ukraine. They looted and stole entire contents of Museums and did the same for any and all art in general. I suspect the other stuff; clothes, tools, food, etc. were personal for the soldier thieves, murderers and hungry guys just having a good time in between rapes.

The facts are that the Ukranians seem to be a bit better than the Russian forces and now they are getting war stuff from the united states which is approximately 70 years newer than the old stuff the Russians have. That, and the apparent fact that the Russian army seems to be made up of untrained kids kinda changes the whole thing.

Now, if Putin doesn't go nuclear the whole mess just might get solved but, I suspect, the stuff that gets agreed on is going to be interesting as well?