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Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
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I don't think we'll see Roe overturned before November,
June/July, actually. "Court sessions continue until late June or early July." per the Supreme Court's webpage.

I'm making a cautious prediction that this leak will spook the court out of making such an earth-shattering decision in this session. I view it a bit like Putin's war and think they might be biting off more than they can chew.


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Originally Posted by NW Ponderer
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You may dislike or even border on hate of both parties, so you vote against the party you dislike the most or vote for the party you hate the least. If you’re satisfied with the way things are going, you vote for the party in power. If you are dissatisfied with how things are, you vote for the party out of power. All the party out of power must be is an alternative to the party in power. Rather simple.
Unfortunately, also rather simplistic - but that reflects the bulk of the electorate. They don't have the capacity to "think big", and that allows them to be manipulated by those with more deviousness and brazenness.
That’s a good way to put it. Both parties have their propaganda machines going full tilt. The problem is our elections has ceased being about ideas, solutions to our problems, a vision for the future. They have turned into one negative attack ad after another negative attack ad. No substance. People get tired of hearing all of that. Myself, I didn’t bother to turn on the TV for the last month prior to the Georgia senate runoffs. Nothing but how evil a scumbag their opposing candidate was. Nothing as to what they stood for or what they had in mind trying to do. Given this type of information, it’s no wonder the bulk of the electorate have become simplistic. It’s a wonder folks go out and vote anymore. Their choice, scumbag A or scumbag B.

The bulk of the electorate, especially independents aren’t political junkies. They don’t pay much if any attention to politics until an election nears. This year, so far, they view their situation, especially financial as worsening under Biden and company. They don’t like Trump nor the GOP. But they’re the only alternative, the only way to send a message to Biden and company to do something about their worsening financial situation. In short inflation, rising prices, empty store shelves. They for the most part, in general don’t give an owl’s hoot about the 1-6 hearings, they may not even care about the abortion issue. At least abortion takes a back seat to their thinning to flat wallets.

You can say, these folks don’t see the big picture. They don’t. Ask yourself this, will the 1-6 hearings or even the abortion issue put food on the table, make gas affordable so these folks can go to work, bring down housing prices so they can shelter their family? Will the hearings or maybe the overturning of Roe help these people meet their and their families daily needs?


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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rather simplistic - but that reflects the bulk of the electorate

It's the bulk of the electorate we're talking about. We already know how Democrats and Republicans will vote. The 40% or so who don't even bother to pick a party are the ones who will decide the election.
I disagree. It will be suburban women just like in 2018 and 2020.

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I don't think we'll see Roe overturned before November,
June/July, actually. "Court sessions continue until late June or early July." per the Supreme Court's webpage.

I'm making a cautious prediction that this leak will spook the court out of making such an earth-shattering decision in this session. I view it a bit like Putin's war and think they might be biting off more than they can chew.
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Originally Posted by perotista
Both parties have their propaganda machines going full tilt.

Only one party fomented an insurrection by lying about reality. What are they going to run on? Next time we’ll be more successful?


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Solution

Any woman who is forced against her will to carry a pregnancy to term shall be entitled to the following compensation;
- The equivalent of a CEO salary for the term of the contract;
- Full medical benefits;
- Full life insurance;
- Generous retirement benefits;
- Adoption of the birthed infant by a responsible family, which will obligate itself to:
a) caring for the child into adulthood in a responsible and loving environment;
b) providing a 4-year college education;
c) refraining from imposing any sort of oppressive religious or philosophical belief system;
d) voluntary imprisonment for not less than 18 years for violating any of the above stated conditions.

Seems reasonable to me, let's pass a law!


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Originally Posted by pdx rick
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Both parties have their propaganda machines going full tilt.

Only one party fomented an insurrection by lying about reality. What are they going to run on? Next time we’ll be more successful?
One last time, the party out of power doesn’t have to run on anything. Especially if the party in power has made quite a lot of the electorate dissatisfied or mad at them. They only must be the alternative. I use the phrase the party out of power as they must be there for a change in government if that is what the people want. In 2018, the Democrats were the alternative. The people didn’t like Trump and didn’t like the Republican controlled congress. They thought they were idiots. All the Democrats had to do was be the alternative to the party in power. They didn’t have to stand for a thing. Just be there to replace the party in power. 2022 is the same for the GOP. Although this year’s election could fall into that very unique category like 2016 and 2020 were. 2018 was a normal election.

Now in 2010, the Republicans did run on repealing the ACA. That was a farce, anyone with a bit of knowledge knew they couldn’t do that. Not without the senate’s concurrence and the signature of the president. Which the Democratic controlled senate wasn’t about to go along with the repeal, which would be immediately vetoed if the senate did. That shows you how much understanding some folks have on how government works. It worked; the GOP retook the house.

2006, people were tired of the wars and tired of republican rule. The Democrats didn’t have to stand for a thing or do a thing. Just be there to pick up the win and take back congress.

1994 is really the only time the party out of party came up with a program, a platform if you will. The contract with America which worked. It was unneeded in my opinion; people were angry at Bill Clinton and the democrats in congress.

That’s the key to a wave election, angry people at the party in power. I’ll add this, it is hard for people to get angry at the party out of power as they’re not in charge. They can’t do anything to really get the people mad at them. They don’t have the power to change anything, to get anything passed, to institute any new program. They’re just there filling up space and sucking in air until the people want an alternative to those who are in power.


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Decent Americans are not going to vote for a party that supports anti-democracy insurrectionists. Oh! Also the pro-Russia party.


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If Rightwingers want to play the game, " It's not in the Constitution," two can play that game.


* AR-15s are not in the Constitution
* Only "well-regulated" (read government sanctioned) militias can own guns
* Corporations are not people
* Money is not free speech


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Write them a letter, Rick, it sounds like you have a sound case. I'm sure they'll get on top of it.

But seriously, all you have to do is swing the court to a liberal majority...that's gonna take around twenty years but it's gonna happen. The next ten years are gonna be kinda bumpy but after that, all I see is rainbows and unicorns.


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