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Decent Americans also want abortion in cases of rape or incest. Republicans don't want those cases to be permitted for abortion for some reason.

You don't. They must all be killed! That's the only conclusion decent Americans can come to.

Something to think about, the latest YouGov survey shows 13% of all Americans who think abortion should be illegal in all case. 29% think abortion should be legal only in the case of incest, rape and the life of the mother in danger, but banned or illegal for all other reasons. Together, that’s 42% of all Americans who either think abortion should be illegal or legal only in three circumstances, incest, rape and life of the mother. Banned or illegal in all other cases. When one adds those who want abortion illegal or banned after 12 weeks, that comes out to 72% who want abortion illegal or banned after 12 weeks or just 28% who think it should be continued to be legal.

Abortion isn’t cut and dried issue.It isn't all or nothing issue. There's plenty of varying degrees. Folks for or against, there’s certain limits and circumstance people are for or against. Limits placed on abortion. It seems to me the 28% of those who want abortion legal after 12 weeks are the extremist along with the 13% who want abortion completely illegal. Those who fall in-between those two extremes are probably decent people.

So the 28% pro-death and the 13% pro-life add up to 41% of the population telling the other 59% what's best for them. That's probably a running average on pretty much any issue.

I'm in the 28%, but I'd certainly be able to compromise and at least for now take care of the most at risk. When the religious/political fervor of the post-Trump years dies down, the courts and the doctors will be able make a case for expanding those rights.

The art of the possible, y'know?

States would still have the right to be more or less lenient, and Starbucks was the last corporation to announce that they would cover travel costs for abortions or gender-affirming surgeries.

If John Fetterman survives to run in November, have you seen who his opponent is liable to be? Kathy Barnette is surging in Pennsylvania and could defeat her millionaire rivals.

She is black and she is gritty Pennsylvania to the core. She is radically pro-life and is running on it.

Her mother was raped at eleven and had Kathy when she was twelve.
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I’d say on most issues, you have a third line up the Democrats, a third line up with the GOP only because that is where their party stands on the issue. Then there’s the third in the middle, probably no hard feelings either way unless the issue affects them personally. It becomes a matter of degree on which side and how much they support one or the other third on the issue. You probably won’t see many of this last group out protesting or anything akin to that. They’ll stay quiet for the most part, maybe vote for a candidate that comes closest to their conviction on the issue. But they’ll not get upset like party members do or those two thirds that get all riled up and upset over the issue.

There’s been no movement outside of a few tenths of a point up or down either in the Generic congressional ballot or President Biden’s approval/disapproval which is the normal daily movement since the leaked draft. I’m surprised by that. I expected at least a couple of points rise in favor of the Democrats. Apparently, abortion isn’t a hot topic or issue with this middle third that the Democrats think it is. The middle third that could change the dynamics of an election along with deciding the winner and loser.

I agree, it’s the minority on each side telling all those in-betweeners or don’t carers what best for them that decide the issue and policy. But if this middle third doesn’t want to make waves or take a stance, isn’t their fate to be determine by others exactly what they want?

Now I wonder, if rising prices, inflation wasn’t the number one issue, inflation, rising prices gets the attention from this middle third, if not this abortion issue might have been more important to them than it is today. Say in more normal times, no inflation, no COVID, etc. I don’t know. Whatever, but it does seem the leaked draft hasn’t caught this middle third’s fancy or attention. Only the hardcore on either side of this issue.

We are talking about abortion. There are SOME Republicans that want no exceptions and some that don't. Right now the no exception Republicans seem to be in charge but that can change. Republicans, I think, determine much not on personal belief but on what can help them keep their jobs and nothing else. They support Trump, not because they love him but because he controls how the base votes. Democrats, on the other hand, seem to be more interested in sticking to their beliefs rather than winning the next election. Democrats tend to win when their beliefs appeal to the voters at large. Republicans win when they are right about what they think the voters want.

Oh, in passing. I think that compromise means giving up something for some reason. I don't think everything needs to be passed with somebody giving up anything. Sometimes, I suspect, two parties can actually agree about something. I also think that there are levels of agreement from complete dis-agreement to happy agreement. In between there are probably lots of levels.

So, when you speak about what a Republican believes I suspect one might be very wrong. When you speak about what a Democrat will do to get elected I doubt that isn't the point as far as they are concerned.

Could be wrong but ............

Nope, compromise means both sides get some of what they want.

I'm trying to get a grant to develop a biochar abortifactant.

I think the "no exceptions" stance is the hill lots of Republicans are going to die on. For decades they tempered their anti-abortion meme with reasonable exceptions. Now their "own the libs" platform is leading into an electoral dead end. I would not be surprised if the Supreme Court's cooler heads saved them from themselves by letting states set time limits but required reasonable exceptions.

There's a tremendous amount of intellectual dishonesty, aka the failure to apply high standards for truth, going on in this thread.