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They announced exactly how they would vote early on. It was up to Democrats to craft a bill they would vote for.

There are an enormous number Democrats and independents alike who agree with them.

Stubborn centrists. The spanner in the works of all grand Democratic plans.

Manchin is very popular with the folks in West Virginia. Those are the people who Manchin must answer to. No one else in the other 49 states.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sen-joe-manchins-west-virginia-200515120.html

Manchin is my type of Democrat as were Zell Miller, former governor and senator and Sam Nunn, long time senator back in the day. I’m not all that happy with either Ossoff nor Warnock. I wasn’t happy with Perdue or Loeffler either. Manchin in a way reminds me of Biden when he was a senator. But Manchin has a lot more balls.

I hate the word centrist. That implies someone always in the middle. I found that out to be not true for most of them who don’t identify or affiliate with the two major parties. I’ve found most of them will support the Democratic position on some issues, support the Republicans on other issues and are indifferent on a good many more issues. But they can become hot and bothered on an issue important to them. The thing is they don’t pass the litmus tests required to be members of either major party. This you must march lockstep with one or the other party is anathema to them.

I like to see someone buck their party from time to time. Hence Manchin, Sinema, Romney, Cheney etc. get a lot of respect from me. Much more than someone who constantly says, Yes Sir, Yes Sir, three bags full Sir, how high do you want me to jump and follows the dictates of party leaders to the hilt. There are my two present senators and the two who preceded them.

Zell Miller, segregationist Lt. Gov under Lester Maddox...the kind of Democrat that Republicans like to apply to other Dems with a broad brush when they throw "Buh buh buh it was the Democrats who are the real racists!" in our faces. Zell Miller who was a keynote speaker at the 2004 convention, for the REPUBLICANS.

Buck the party from time to time? Your "favorite Democrats" aren't Democrats...they're Republicans and Manchin doesn't just buck the party from time to time, he can be counted on as such a reliable ally to the Republicans that they're giving him more money than anyone else.

I can't lump a whiner like Miller in with Sam Nunn. I can't even picture them together in my mind without getting a headache.
Same for Manchin. I respect Sam Nunn too much.
Oh well, at least Miller didn't attack the patriotism of Max Cleland like Saxby Chambliss did, another Zell Miller Republican endorsee.

If that's the line for Democrats that you think are acceptable, it's no surprise that you believe the Democratic Party is too leftist.
Please allow me to explain that the Democratic Party is not the problem here.
The problem is that your view of acceptable Democrats consists of people who expect the party to be more like Republicans.
That's like buying an Android phone and expecting it to be more like an iPhone, or a Windows computer and expecting it to be more like a Mac, or a Harley motorcycle and
expecting it to be more like a Yamaha.

I don't expect people to "march in lockstep" with any or every Democratic Party position, and the truth is, I don't think most Democratic voters expect that either.
I'll tell you who DOES "march in lockstep" and it's easily proven every single time ANYTHING comes up on the floor of the House or Senate:


REPUBLICANS!

And not surprisingly, Republican donors have lavished BILLIONS to craft a 100 percent projectionist narrative that is every bit a mini-confession as one could hope for, a narrative
that accuses DEMOCRATS of doing what they themselves appear to have INVENTED.



And sorry to say, you appear to have bought into it.
Please, get to know more actual Democrats instead of painting us with that broad brush.

I'll just point out here that Democrat heads have been exploding ever since a couple of Democrats failed to march in lockstep.

And because of that traitorous behavior now we are going to lose our freedumbs and democracies forever!

No one is always anything, most people don't even know where on the left-right political spectrum they fall or why... Various issues like race, guns and abortion divide them and subdivide them until you have two centrist parties divided evenly along carefully curated issues that can be re-used at any time to bolster the divisions between parties and fuel the outrage machines.

It's hard for me to imagine a party claiming to be "the left" but censoring the word socialism from the vocabulary of all Democrats.

Pero, you've staked out a position firmly and stubbornly in the center. You might as well claim it. But that you find yourself here says that you are probably a little on the liberal side of things these days.

Makes you wonder who they'd be voting for, doesn't it?

Far-right favorite Kandiss Taylor received just 3.4 percent of the vote in Georgia’s GOP primary for governor on Tuesday, less than one-twentieth of current Gov. Brian Kemp’s 73.7 percent of the vote. But that isn’t stopping Taylor from refusing to concede and claiming the election was “rigged.”



---She's also very fond of making violent threats.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kandi...race-by-70-points-she-still-wont-concede