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That's all a cobbled together argument for a rewording of the Constitution.

Back in the day, when an army was needed, word was sent out, a call to arms, as it were.

And the men who were old enough to fight gathered in the square with whatever arms they might have and marched to wherever they were needed.

They formed a volunteer militia to fight for the security of the free state in which they lived.

And so because

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It says in very few words exactly what it means. I'm not sure why you think you can change the words to suit yourself, or parse the words into meaning something they don't mean when they very clearly mean exactly what they say.


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Originally Posted by Greger
...I'm not sure why you think you can change the words to suit yourself...
As the link I provided clearly states, and I did not know this until last night when I found the link, the SCOTUS held that very same position that I have until 2008 when Scalia changed from being a "strict constitutionalist" - a link that I thoughtfully provided for your convenience, but a link that you are clearly choosing to ignore.

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The NRA is very good at buying politicos and judges apparently - they need something to launder that Russian money some how. smile


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In other news, it looks like John Durham's three year investigation of the Russia investigation is a bust, leading to one indictment and the indicted guy was found not guilty today.

What is especially rich is during discovery, John Durham learned there was no there, there, to his indictment, yet continued on with the trial alway, just to score points with the MAGAts.

Yet another Rightwing investigative failure and waste of taxpayer money. Oh well... smile


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If you want to be a strict literalist about the 2nd Amendment, the "arms" the authors were writing about were front-loaded single shot muskets. There is no mention of anything more complex or capable of mass murder. No cannons. No mortars. No mines. No bombs. So the 2nd Amendment says individual free men have the right to bear single-shot front-loading muskets. Sounds good to me.

My point is you can't be a literalist about one thing, and a "living constitutionalist" about another in the very same sentence. There are two consistent positions:

1: Everybody gets those muskets., or
2: Since muskets are no longer carried by infantrymen and infantrymen are all in the Armed Forces of the US, the concept of "militia" has to be updated to the actual military or National Guard. States can make their own laws about self defense and hunting weapons, but the 2nd Amendment only applies to actual soldiers.


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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
If you want to be a strict literalist about the 2nd Amendment, the "arms" the authors were writing about were front-loaded single shot muskets. There is no mention of anything more complex or capable of mass murder. No cannons. No mortars. No mines. No bombs. So the 2nd Amendment says individual free men have the right to bear single-shot front-loading muskets. Sounds good to me.
I could actually live with that. smile


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Originally Posted by pondering_it_all
My point is you can't be a literalist about one thing, and a "living constitutionalist" about another in the very same sentence. There are two consistent positions:

1: Everybody gets those muskets., or
2: Since muskets are no longer carried by infantrymen and infantrymen are all in the Armed Forces of the US, the concept of "militia" has to be updated to the actual military or National Guard. States can make their own laws about self defense and hunting weapons, but the 2nd Amendment only applies to actual soldiers.
I was thinking about this.

What if only military personnel could "bear arms," and had to relinquish them when they leave the service? As far a LEOs, a lot more social work training would be in order for them.

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It's not like they're gonna run in and kill the bad guy anyway...unless he's black. ¯\_(?)_/¯


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Dave Chappel had a good thought: If Americans want to end the availability of AR-15s, then more black people should start buying them and open carrying them.

That's exactly that happened in California circa 1968 when the Black Panthers started open carrying assault rifles. Good ol' Ronny Reagan was governor at the time. smile


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Elements of Style

Did you know that those who oversee writing style in 2019 made the space between the period and the start of the next word only one space instead of two.

I just learned that at work today.

Apparently putting two spaces after a period (or colon) dates you. crazy


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If you choose not to learn how things really happened, that is how you choose to live your life.

Apparently you chose not to learn anything about it until last night...? Better late than never I guess. We've been over this a thousand times here and if Google can make you an expert then we're all experts by now.

The 2A is a simple statement. It establishes the right of the people to keep arms and it establishes the right of the state to regulate them.

The recent spate of shootings with AR15 models and high-capacity magazines is reason enough to regulate the living f*ck out of them until this strange wave of gun fetishism and mass murder subsides.


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