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If that was really the case, then you'd hear people assigning the label to EVERY Republican, past present and future.

I hear that pretty often. Hatred of the entire party is pretty thick around here.


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Peter Navarro

An old saw says, " If you are your own lawyer you have a fool for a client".

but Navarro takes the cake .... he is a fool of a client as he has a fool for a lawyer. A real example of "dumb and dumber"


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From what I’ve been reading and looking at polls, rating wise, FoxNews not carrying the 1-6 primetime hearings makes good financial sense. CNN and MSNBC, carrying them, also makes financial sense. FoxNews is slanted to the conservative viewpoint, conservatives aren’t interested in 1-6 hearings let alone during primetime. CNN and MSNBC attract those who wants their news from a liberal viewpoint, mainly Democrats watch those two news networks. It’s Democrats and anti-Trumpers that have the most interest in 1-6. Republicans, very little to approaching none. Independents for the most part place 1-6 into the ancient history category. Most of them won’t be watching any of the news networks during prime time. They’ll be tuned into their favorite TV program or watching sports.

Did these cable news networks make the right decision? It’ll be interesting to watch the ratings for the primetime 1-6 hearings. To compare them with their normal, regular average of viewers who watch these channels during primetime. Here’s the average numbers to compare the ratings with.

In primetime, Fox News topped with an average of 2.36 million viewers, up 6%, while MSNBC posted 1.12 million, down 29% and CNN averaged 694,000, down 33%

https://deadline.com/2022/04/fox-news-cable-news-ratings-april-1235010435/

Bottom line, one must realize all three networks are in the news business to make money. Hence all three present the news in the form and with the political slant their viewership wants. Profit is the name of the newsgame like it or not

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As I done on the abortion draft leak, then with the mass school shootings, I’m going to do the same with the prime time public 1-6 hearings. You then can compare to see if the prime-time hearings change any minds on who folks plan on voting for come November. Having the hearing broadcast in prime time on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC is new and precedence setting. It’s never been done before. Watergate, Iran-Contra, impeachment hearings, the senate trials, all done during congressional normal working hours. Even Google couldn’t find any congressional hearing or investigation broadcast during prime time. What do I expect? I expect a movement in the democrat’s direction at first, then once the primetime hearings are over, a return to pre-prime-time public hearings numbers. That’s the way these things usually work. I still believe inflation, rising prices are the big boy in the room. But time will tell. Time always provides the answers.

8 June 2022 Generic congressional ballot, RCP averages 46.5-42.5, Republican, 538 averages 45.2-42.8 Republican

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/generic-ballot/

The President’s overall job performance numbers. Will the prime-time 1-6 hearings influence it? I don’t think so.

8 June 2022 Biden’s overall job performance, 40.7% approve, 54.0% disapprove

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

Perhaps the best way to look at this is the number of competitive, switchable, at risk house seats beginning 8 June 2022.
8 June – House 39 Democratic seats, 13 Republican seats fell into the at-risk category. A probable gain of 18-20 seats for the Republicans. Senate – 5 pure tossups, 3 democratic held seats, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, 2 Republican held seats, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. 1 lean Democratic seat, Democratic held New Hampshire, 1 lean Republican seat, Republican held North Carolina.


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The purpose of the prime time extravaganza is to rile up registered Democrats ahead of the elections. If you recall, Democrats aren't very dependable in the midterms.

They might also draw out some Trump-hating independents who might otherwise have sat on the couch but will view this as another vote against Trump.

It won't show in the polls really, because no one's opinion is going to change. Where it will show up is on election day when a few more Democratic voters show up to stave off the red wave.

If I was the Dems I might hold off charging Trump with a crime until October.


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Originally Posted by Greger
The purpose of the prime time extravaganza is to rile up registered Democrats ahead of the elections. If you recall, Democrats aren't very dependable in the midterms.

They might also draw out some Trump-hating independents who might otherwise have sat on the couch but will view this as another vote against Trump.

It won't show in the polls really, because no one's opinion is going to change. Where it will show up is on election day when a few more Democratic voters show up to stave off the red wave.

If I was the Dems I might hold off charging Trump with a crime until October.
LOL, the house can’t charge Trump with anything. That will have to come either from NY DA or the Atlanta DA or even the DOJ. Now the Atlanta DA Willis has been busy. She has a grand jury and she has had Secretary of State Raffensperger testify before it. More here.

https://www.gpb.org/news/2022/06/02...-grand-jury-probe-of-2020-trump-election

There is a lot more anti-Trump independents that pro-Trump independents. So far, that hasn’t affected who they plan on voting for. Trump is old hat, yesterday. Inflation, rising prices is today. Even if the primetime hearings are successful in getting independents attention back to Trump, the question is will that override their ever-shrinking wallets? Trump and Biden are basically tied in their favorable ratings. But Trump has been out of news and off camera for quite a while now. I’d say largely forgotten by most independents as they’re more worried about today than yesterday or a year and a half ago.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/other/FavorabilityRatingsPoliticalLeaders.html

The primetime hearings could energize democrats, it could also energize republicans who think democrats are only out for revenge with a vengeance. Turnout is almost impossible to predict. Changing some independents minds, yes, I expect some of that to happen during these primetime hearings. But I also expect them to revert to pre-primetime numbers once they’re over. Americans have short memories. Die hard partisans don’t, they remember everything, and they also seek revenge and payback.

A word of advice: don’t pay any attention to over night polls. They’re not scientific. Scientific polls are taken over a 3-day period and then weighted to reflect the approximately percentage of Democrats, republicans and independents. That usually takes another day. You won’t see any accurate polling from 4 days to a week after the event.


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Originally Posted by Greger
The purpose of the prime time extravaganza is to rile up registered Democrats ahead of the elections. If you recall, Democrats aren't very dependable in the midterms..
The purpose of the hearings is to show all Americans how close they came to losing their democracy. Clearly something you give little shrift to.

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From what I’ve been reading and looking at polls, rating wise, FoxNews not carrying the 1-6 primetime hearings makes good financial sense. CNN and MSNBC, carrying them, also makes financial sense. FoxNews is slanted to the conservative viewpoint, conservatives aren’t interested in 1-6 hearings let alone during primetime...
Why would Fox New carry the hearing? Three of Fox News primetime hosts are intertwined in J6. I see you failed to mention that fact. NewsMax carried the hearings and they're very conservative - which debases your theory.


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Now why would seven GOP Senators/Congresspeople ask Trump for a pardon? Any ideas? Those idiots have no idea how government works. You can't get pre-pardons before your crime is public and before you've been tried and convicted, you dummies. smile


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who's NewsMax, never heard of them. Can't be that important. Now I never visit the very partisan left or right websites.If I see something in the news that interests me, I google it. I don't even watch cable news networks. Heck, I don't watch live TV. I stream if that is the correct phrase my movies and shows and the Braves games on my laptop. I have a TV, but I never turn it on. I also have Discovery Plus, the History Vault, Amazon Prime, youtube, others to watch my shows, movies and sports without commercials on my lap top. The good thing about using my lap top is if the wife has honey do's or something comes up, I can pause whatever I'm watching. I can come back to it anytime and pick up right where I left off.

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Cable news channel NewsMax is huge in conservatives circles. Simply because you haven’t kept up does not make your unfounded discounting of the cable news channel any more real.


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