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In 2020, the total voting-aged population in the US was 252,274,000 (a little over 75% of the population). Of those, only about 64% actually voted. The 20 million who watched the Jan 6 hearings only represent 1/8 of that population (12.5%). I wonder what the impact might actually be. My guess is, not significant. Brand loyalty will likely trump fealty to the Constitution and the country.


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The people who don't vote are essentially no different from the people who vote. So the 64% who do vote are fairly representative of the other 36%.

But the law of averages isn't as well written as the law of gravity. Maybe there's a deep pool of socialists there who are just hiding until the time is right to vote....


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Pondering, the impact of the hearing will be minimal if it evens moves the needle on how people will vote this midterm. Going over the numbers, most of that 20 million who watched the primetime hearings were anti-Trumpers. It was a case of the preacher preaching to the choir so to speak. Going deeper, only 3% of that 20 million voted for Trump. There won’t be any change in the Republican Party on how they view Trump because of the hearing and no change of voting habits. Surprisingly to me was independents made up 25% of that 20 million. But most of those were anti-Trump independents or independents who lean toward the Democratic Party. Remember only 41% of independents voted for Trump in 2020. What you had was a viewing audience made up mostly of anti-Trumper. Those who watched were going to vote Democratic in November whether the hearings took place or not. The hearings just reinforced their vote, it didn’t change any votes. At least as far as I can tell going by the numbers. It also didn’t change any minds among those who want Trump prosecuted, those who don’t and those who just plain don’t care. Those who don’t and don’t care, didn’t watch the hearings.


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Originally Posted by perotista
Pondering, the impact of the hearing will be minimal if it evens moves the needle on how people will vote this midterm.
That post did not age well. 17 point margin of Americans believe Trump should be prosecuted.


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Lets see. The Dems cannot get together and actually agree on what they support thereby destroying any possibility of a real message. They got in a little spat with the DOJ. Their extremes have, pretty much, wrecked most of the major police department on the west coast. You know, clever things - to not quite win.

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I don’t see much change at all comparing pre-1-6 primetime hearings to post primetime hearings. At least that can’t be attributed to the MOE or the normal ups and downs of polling. The primetime hearings so far have had no effect. Perhaps I missed something.

8 June 2022 Generic congressional ballot, RCP averages 46.5-42.5, Republican, 538 averages 45.2-42.8 Republican

16 June 2022 Generic congressional ballot, RCP averages 46.3-42.8, Republican, 538 averages 44.9-42.3 Republican

18 June 2022 Generic congressional ballot, RCP averages 44.5-42.0, Republican, 538 averages 44.7-42.4 Republican

RCP, GOP a 3.0 lead on 8 June, today a 2.5 lead, -0.5 of a point. 538 GOP a 2.4-point lead, today a 2.3-point lead, -0.1, a tenth of a point. Not much change since the primetime hearings.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/generic-ballot/

The President’s overall job performance numbers.

8 June 2022 Biden’s overall job performance, 40.7% approve, 54.0% disapprove

16 June 2022 Biden’s overall job performance, 38.9% approve, 54.4% disapprove

18 June 2022 Biden’s overall job performance, 39.8% approve, 54.7% disapprove

Biden’s approval dropped -0.9 or 9 tenths of a point; his disapproval rose +0.7 of a point since primetime.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

Perhaps the best way to look at this is the number of competitive, switchable, at risk house seats beginning 8 June 2022.
8 June – House 39 Democratic seats, 13 Republican seats fell into the at-risk category. A probable gain of 18-20 seats for the Republicans. Senate – 5 pure tossups, 3 democratic held seats, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, 2 Republican held seats, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. 1 lean Democratic seat, Democratic held New Hampshire, 1 lean Republican seat, Republican held North Carolina.

16 June – House 40 Democratic seats, 13 Republican seats fell into the at-risk category. A probable gain of 18-20 seats for the Republicans. Senate – 5 pure tossups, 3 democratic held seats, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, 2 Republican held seats, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. 1 lean Democratic seat, Democratic held New Hampshire, 1 lean Republican seat, Republican held North Carolina.

16 June – House 40 Democratic seats, 13 Republican seats fell into the at-risk category. A probable gain of 18-20 seats for the Republicans. Senate – 5 pure tossups, 3 democratic held seats, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, 2 Republican held seats, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. 1 lean Democratic seat, Democratic held New Hampshire, 1 lean Republican seat, Republican held North Carolina.

House seats +1 for the Democrats in the at risk, switchable, competitive seat, Republicans remain the same. The senate remains the same as it was back on 8 June prior to the primetime hearings.


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Ah, going back over this thread, I see the disconnect. You're all in for getting Trump, but don't care about election results or potential election results. I'm looking at this on how the primetime hearings will affect the upcoming midterms and not through the eyes of whether the Democrats get Trump or not. I'm focused on the midterms; you're focused on Trump.

Perhaps that is the Democrats problem and may be the answer to why they’re going lose the House and perhaps the senate. My priority is an election strategy that would help keep the Democrats in power, in control or at least limit their loses. Yours seem to be just get Trump at any cost. Yours and most Democrats I may add. I hope you and the Democrats are successful, I have a feeling you won’t like the midterm results and especially won’t like what comes after that. That will leave you ranting and raving for a long time to come.

But on further reflection, thought. You might as well go get Trump and throw him behind bars. As long as inflation remains with us, there’s nothing the Democrats can do to retain control. Other than trying to limit the damage. Most independents don’t care what happens to Trump, they do care about their thinning to flat wallets. That’s priority number one to them. They’ll go with the only alternative available come election day.


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Originally Posted by perotista
...As long as inflation remains with us, there’s nothing the Democrats can do to retain control. Other than trying to limit the damage. Most independents don’t care what happens to Trump, they do care about their thinning to flat wallet....
The inflation is global and caused by still occurring global pandemic and now Russia's unnecessary attack on Ukraine. Inflation will still be here if ReTHUGlicons retake control. A Masters degree in economics is not required to understand how we got inflation, or how it will continue - only the ability to think, reason, and process information is required.

It's typical of Rwingers not to see the forest through the trees and its typical of Rwingers not to understand the world around them. For Rwingers, everything is a knee jerk reaction as evident by current polling, and only a superficial dive into the understanding of how things work. It's unfortunate that an IQ test is not required to vote in this country. Our country would be better off. Forget voter ID, how about voter intelligence above 85?


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The Founders were very much in agreement with you, Rick. Only white male landowners were allowed to vote. It was a much better system. Not very "democratic" but that isn't the goal is it?


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One need not be white or a landowner or even be a male, to possess an IQ of 85 or better. That's the beauty of my suggestion. smile


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