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The Catholic Church has also supplied their nuns with birth control pills when they are in dangerous countries because of the threat of rape. Apparently, birth control is sinful, but pregnant nuns are a disaster.

I agree. My point is that eventually they will lose that power. It may take a generation. But, in many of those self-same States they created the ability for popular initiatives to gain that power. Most are by State Constitutional Amendments, so they can't block them. Foot shooting is a popular pastime in them thar parts.

I understand that the Supreme Court is now going to open the term with communion.

They should automatically lose their tax status.

A group of faith leaders in Florida and other states have launched lawsuits about religious freedom after anti-abortion laws were passed in the states that declare life to begin at conception or at any point prior to viability.

Under Judaism, for example, life begins at the first breath and prior to that it is known as a life "under construction," writes Rabbi Golide Milgram

The Catholic SCOTUS majority really screwed the Christian Liberty pooch on this one.

Like I've pointed out before, any time you involve religion in the law, it's an absolute mess. That's because laws are all about equity, and religions all have their own ideas about what is right and proper. It says right in our constitution that the government can't favor any religion over another. So the only legal thing to do is for the government to ignore them all (since it's impossible to make the law agree with them all). But this Supreme Court seems intent on breaking as much as possible.

That "First Breath" meme was Catholic dogma for many centuries, as their theologians believed the soul entered the body at the first breath. Personally, I like the belief of some Jewish groups these days that abortion should be permitted until the fetus graduates from medical or law school.

Legal? LEGAL??? What's that?
Legal is now whatever the strongman from Mar-A-Lago or the other two strongmen from Moscow or Budapest say it is, as it is uttered out of their mouths.

Therefore Christ belongs in the Constitution because strongmen A, B and C all agree he wrote it.

The 59-41 vote in Tuesday's referendum on abortion in reliably red state Kansas has shell shocked conservoworld.

Republicans made the vote confusing on purpose with their trickery of how the amendments were worded. To a casual observer, a "no" vote might seem to mean you were against abortion rights, and "yes" vote that you were for abortion rights, when in fact it was the other way around. So that is one thing.

Usually Dems don't bother in Kansas, and Independents can't vote because only those with party affiliation can, but signed up for a party so they could vote. An analysis shows the turnout among Democrats was high, as it was among independents, all of them apparently driven to the polls by the abortion referendum on the ballot.

The analysis showed that a lot of Republicans crossed over and voted no. The analysis also showed that every county in Kansas voted to keep abortion legal.

As I have stated on other threads, some Republican women will tell their patriarchal conservative husbands how they'll vote, then vote differently in the booth. That suggestion was resoundingly rejected here at Reader Rant.

I now have the receipts.

I think Independents actually could vote, because there was something on the ballot besides partisan primary candidates they could vote on. But they usually don't vote in primaries because they don't get to vote for partisan candidates.

Ok...that makes sense. Thanks PIA