Originally Posted by Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted by perotista
Originally Posted by Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted by perotista
You can see the third-party vote actually helped Clinton in 2016. It’s an old wife’s tale about third party vote always helping the GOP.

One instance in...how many?
Nope sorry, doesn't change the fact that well over ninety percent of the time third party candidates siphon off votes to the benefit of Republicans.
One outlier does not a liar make.

You'd have to reach all the way back to the Bull Moose Party to find another.
But...tell ya what...if Trump runs as a third party candidate I may be proven wrong again.

Actually, I gave you two recent examples, Clinton benefiting from third party voting in 2016 and Warnock benefitting from third party voting in 2020. With out the Libertarian candidate drawing 2.6% of the vote, Perdue would have won as I showed you. Now if you’re only talking Presidential, there’s been others. But the third-party vote didn’t change the outcome. Like in 2016, Clinton benefited, but still lost.

Johnson Libertarian took some 1.3 million votes from Romney while Stein took 470,000 from Obama in 2012. Once again, the Democrat benefited more. Perot drew 25% of his vote total from Republicans along with 20% from Democrats, he helped Bill Clinton win. Anderson in 1980 took votes from Reagan, but Reagan won anyway. But if you want to believe that third party voters always help elect Republicans, feel free to do so. But you’d be wrong.

James Carville said it clearly:"Ralph Nader basically elected GWB in 2000. Jill Stein basically elected Trump in 2016."
In PA,WI &MI Hillary lost by a mere 77k votes;there were 800k 3rd party votes in PA,WI & MI.
2016 Johnson, Libertarian received more votes and took more votes from Trump in those 3 deciding states than Stein took from Clinton.

Michigan Johnson 172,136 votes 3.6% to Stein’s 57,463 1.1%
Pennsylvania Johnson 146,715 2.4% to Stein’s 49,941 0.8%
Wisconsin Johnson 106,674 3.6% to Stein’s 31,072 1.0%

As to you can from above, Libertarian, third party candidate Johnson cost Trump many more votes than Stein cost Clinton. I didn’t include the conservative candidate Evan McMullen which also cost Trump some votes. You can check out the figures here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election

Stein may have taken 138,476 from Clinton in those three deciding states, but Johnson took quite a lot more from Trump, 425,525 votes to be exact. Once again, third party candidates hurt the GOP or in this case, Trump much more than the Democrats, Hillary Clinton. In fact, without third party votes, Trump would have edged Clinton in the popular vote 49.4 to 49.3, again not counting conservative Evan McMullen who received 0.54% of the nationwide vote which would have put Trump at 49.95%. You do have other third parties which received 0.84%, I don’t have the foggiest how they would have voted between Trump and Clinton.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.