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I'm pretty sure the "response to ANTIFA by proclaiming martial law" thingie was one of the plans that got circulated before January 6th. And the people who knew about that plan in advance, outed themselves by trying to blame ANTIFA for the insurrection. All DOJ has to do is look at public statements during and after the insurrection to find a whole bunch of co-conspirators. Knowing about the plans for a crime but failing to report it is the very definition of conspiracy. I’ve been making exactly that statement for awhile now. I’ve written that Laura Ingraham was taping her show during the Rwing siege on the Capitol, with Laura telling her audience that antiFA was responsible for attacking the US Capital. Her information had not been updated, because Laura and her show staff did not know that antiFA did not show up. I'm not sure what the timeline is for when the Rwingers realized that antiFA did not show. The bottom line is that the J6 attack was absolutely coordinated by Rwingers including their media.
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Ex-White House counsel subpoenaed by federal grand jury investigating Jan. 6 attackA federal grand jury has subpoenaed former Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone in its investigation into the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol and efforts to overturn the 2020 election... Trump hasn't been shooting his big mouth off lately, hmm... 
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Once again, Rick, you beat me to the punch. This is big. It doesn't mean Trump is about to be indicted, but it does show that DoJ is pounding on the door and testing the locks.
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Don't go betting the ranch on Trump being indicted much less convicted.
While any reasonable person would conclude upon seeing so much smoke, there may be a fire creating the smoke, it may not be possible to connect Trump as the person who threw the matches on the tinder. I suspect there will be a lot of 5ths being passed around, which will not produce the evidence necessary to indict. Example would be the clown anarchist Bannon. Indicted, convicted, appealed, probably conviction will be sustained, appeal to the Trump court which may or may not sustain or even hear case, but ultimately all we will get from him is the 5th from what is his name to did he participate in overthrowing the government.
I am hoping my prediction from a while back will not come to bear, that Trump will be the first candidate to run from prison and may be the first to win while in prison , pardon himself, and then conduct a vengeance campaign against everyone who can't say MAGA. But beware .... there are no limits to what Trump will do ... remember Benedict Arnold .... a real amateur when compared to Trump.
Hear me now o lord and savior Trump .... you are the greatest, you are blah blah blah
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This would have given Trump the excuse he needed to solidify his coup with a classic military intervention I have to rebut that. For anyone to use the military to solidify a coup, it would take significant logistical deployment prior to the event. This would take a lot of planning with troops mobilized and on standby, but that was not the case. There were no federal troops ready to do anything but stand by. The first part is an ok start. Mob the capitol, which would pause on the proceedings. If the riot was able to sustain itself for more than 3 hours without intervention from NG or DCPD, elected officials would have to be removed from premises (if possible). This would allow Trump the time necessary for him to declare a national emergency and proclaim himself acting president until all the claims could be resolved to him winning, at which time he would anoint himself Emperor of the Universe. That is the time he would obilize the military. Since there are no protocols for not ending an election, he could appeal to his court while waiting the results from Trump loyalists in the swing states which voted for Biden. Remember he told Gov Kemp, find me the votes. He would make same appeal to all those states, until they found him the votes. Some say it couldn't happen in America because .... ahhh .... we are America. Wake up and open your eyes. Phase one has already happened .... phase two .... the completion phase. Praise the great Trump
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The danger is that next time we could have a seditious President who happened to be competent. Trump's saving grace was that he's not. All his "plans" were fantasies that included a "then a miracle happens" step, or even multiple such steps. He believed his own propaganda, so naturally his coup attempt would deliver a great outcry for Emperor Trump forever. You could see it coming when his PR people started talking about "alternate facts".
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This should make everyone's day. Exclusive: Trump allies launch effort to recall Fulton County DA Fani Willis https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusiv...willis-224315547.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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Evidence has now come to light that at least some of the lawsuits brought against the election outcome were themselves knowingly fraudulent. Not just flimsy. It seems that Kelli Ward had misgivings about committing treason when there was no legal basis for signing on as a fake elector, so they filed a suit/appeal to give her cover. That ties two of the portions of the conspiracy together neatly. Arizona Officials Warned Fake Electors Plan Could ‘Appear Treasonous' (NYT)
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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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It's going to be very satisfying if all of the fake electors get indicted for fraud. The interesting thing is the fraud occurred in Washington DC, when they submitted their phony elector lists. So they might be tried by a DC jury instead of their home state jury. Much less chance of jury nullification in DC.
Those convictions would be the perfect thing to prevent anybody from trying that in the future. Not if it adds up to something absurd like 30 days in the county lockup.
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It's going to be very satisfying if all of the fake electors get indicted for fraud. The interesting thing is the fraud occurred in Washington DC, when they submitted their phony elector lists. So they might be tried by a DC jury instead of their home state jury. Much less chance of jury nullification in DC.
Those convictions would be the perfect thing to prevent anybody from trying that in the future. Not if it adds up to something absurd like 30 days in the county lockup. It is the conviction that matters.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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