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This I find interesting for two reasons.

Poll: Many Americans say 2nd Biden or Trump term would be 'worst thing that could happen' in 2024

https://www.yahoo.com/news/poll-trump-biden-2024-yougov-090012119.html

What I found interesting in the article, poll, these are what interested me.

1. In a striking expression of the profound pessimism and polarization currently afflicting U.S. politics — as well as a growing aversion to both parties’ presidential front-runners — a plurality of registered voters now say it would be “the worst thing that could happen” if either President Biden (39%) or former President Donald Trump (41%) were to win the White House again in 2024, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll.

Only about half as many voters say a second Trump term would be "the best thing that could happen" (22%). A mere 8% say the same about a second Biden term.


2. Just 16% of Americans agree that they’re “well represented by the Democratic and Republican parties," while 40% choose the alternative statement: "America needs a new political party that's positioned in the political center between the Democrats and Republicans."

Similarly, 40% "want the option to vote for a third-party candidate for president in 2024 who is positioned in the political center between the Democrats and Republicans” — including 55% of independents, 53% of political moderates, 40% of Biden voters and 40% of Trump voters. Asked to describe the priorities of elected officials, 37% of Americans say Democratic priorities are “too extreme”; 40% say the same about Republican priorities.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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Joe Biden was not elected POTUS for his platform. Joe was elected for one reason only: To block Trump from being re-elected. If Manchin comes thru and gives Joe a win in the next week or so, Joe would have accomplished a lot for one term POTUS.

I'm ok with Joe bowing out for 2024 and getting someone like Newsom in.


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I think you got this one right. Biden was elected to get rid of Trump. To be a transition president between Trump and whoever comes next. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by pdx rick
Joe Biden was not elected POTUS for his platform. Joe was elected for one reason only: To block Trump from being re-elected. If Manchin comes thru and gives Joe a win in the next week or so, Joe would have accomplished a lot for one term POTUS.

I'm ok with Joe bowing out for 2024 and getting someone like Newsom in.

Newsom? Eh...okay I'll vote for him if he's the candidate but my preference is this guy.

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I like Fetterman, he’s unique. But he will have been a senator for just 2 years. He in my opinion would be a great VP selection. I’m rooting for a Duckworth/Fetterman ticket in 2024.


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Originally Posted by perotista
I I’m rooting for a Duckworth/Fetterman ticket in 2024.
Why? So the independents will have a ticket to vote against? cry


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Originally Posted by Jeffery J. Haas
Newsom? Eh...okay I'll vote for him if he's the candidate but my preference is this guy.

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Fetterman does have snappy Twitter posts! laugh


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Originally Posted by pdx rick
Originally Posted by perotista
I I’m rooting for a Duckworth/Fetterman ticket in 2024.
Why? So the independents will have a ticket to vote against? cry
How do you figure? In both Duckworth and Fetterman, there’s a lot there for independents to like. Both have the ability to connect with independents whereas a lot of other do not. Obama, Bill Clinton, Reagan recently had that ability and all won the independent vote.

I’m probably getting way ahead of myself, I believe the midterms will have a direct affect on the 2024 presidential and who gets vaulted or demoted as far as both party’s candidates who will quest the nomination.


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I decided to post this today as the changes in the senate over the last 2 weeks has all been in the Democrats favor. But in the house, despite the Republican generic congressional ballot lead has dropped from 2.2 a month ago and from 1.8 2 weeks ago to 0.3 today according to RCP, the number of at risk, switchable seats for the democrats rose by 1 from 40 to 41 over the same time frame.

Senate and House update 4 Aug 2022

Senate +1-3 equals lean, but within the MOE. These states are very competitive with one party or candidate having a slight advantage. +4-6 outside the MOE, equals likely but still competitive. +7 and above, those states aren’t listed. They’re considered solid or safe for the party that currently holds them.

Senate changes – AZ D Kelly from +2 to +3, NH D Hassan from +3 to +4, NC R Budd from +2 to +1, PA D Fetterman from +3 to +4

Arizona Kelly D – Kelly +3 Democratic hold R 50 D 50
Georgia Warnock D – Warnock +3 Democratic hold R 50, D 50
Nevada Cortez Masto D – Cortez Masto +1 Democratic hold R 50 D 50
New Hampshire Hassan D – Hassan +4 Democratic hold R 50 D 50
North Carolina Burr R – Burr is retiring, open seat. R Budd vs. D Beasley. Budd +1 Republican hold. R 50 D 50
Ohio – Portman R – Portman is retiring, open seat. R Vance vs, D Ryan Vance +2 Republican hold. R 50 D 50
Pennsylvania Toomey R – Toomey is retiring, open seat. R Oz vs. D Fetterman +4 Democratic gain R 49 D 51
Wisconsin Johnson R – Johnson +2 Republican hold R 49 D 51

Missouri R Blunt, Oklahoma R Inhofe, Vermont, D Leahy are retiring, these open seats may make my watch list if they become competitive later. Pennsylvania looks like the only seat to change hands, giving the Democrats a 51-49 advantage in the senate.

House of Representatives

Currently the House of Representative consists of 221 Democrats, 214 Republicans. The GOP needs a net gain of 4 seats to take control of the House. There are 55 competitive, switchable, at risk districts. Currently held by 41 Democrats and 14 Republicans. Safe seats as of 4 Aug 2022, 180 Democratic, 200 Republican. Probable net gain for the Republicans is 18-20 seats. Which would give the GOP control of the house with the majority over the Democrats somewhere between 232-203 to 234-201.


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It's way too early for me to pick a favorite. I saw it floated in an opinion piece someplace that AOC should throw her hat in the ring. I didn't even click on it. Although we are somewhat ideologically aligned, I just don't think she's got the chops for the job.

But then, maybe nobody is really prepared for the level of headaches that come with the job.


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