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Originally Posted by Jeffery J. Haas
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I watched an hour-long video that really explained what went wrong for Russia, the gist of which is, they didn't prepare for this war, and blew their budget on prestige items and legacy junk. The title is "All Bling, no Basics - Why Ukraine has embarrassed the Russian Military"


Watching it now, that young feller is pretty smart.
It isn't until the end of the video that he acknowledges he's trained in the area. It is truly command staff-level analysis.


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Originally Posted by jgw
Last night I watched a show which described just how much theft and looting was taking place in Ukraine. They looted and stole entire contents of Museums and did the same for any and all art in general. I suspect the other stuff; clothes, tools, food, etc. were personal for the soldier thieves, murderers and hungry guys just having a good time in between rapes.

The facts are that the Ukranians seem to be a bit better than the Russian forces and now they are getting war stuff from the united states which is approximately 70 years newer than the old stuff the Russians have. That, and the apparent fact that the Russian army seems to be made up of untrained kids kinda changes the whole thing.

Now, if Putin doesn't go nuclear the whole mess just might get solved but, I suspect, the stuff that gets agreed on is going to be interesting as well?
I heard and read this morning reports of the organized theft of Ukrainian property by Russian forces - on the scale of Nazi looting in WWII. Russians plunder $5M farm vehicles from Ukraine -- to find they've been remotely disabled (CNN); Russia says its businesses can steal patents from anyone in ‘unfriendly’ countries (WaPo). What this demonstrates is that the Russian Kleptocracy is now institutionalized and affects every level of Russian official society.


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What this demonstrates is that the Russian Kleptocracy is now institutionalized and affects every level of Russian official society.

Again, dehumanizing the enemy to make their extermination more palatable.


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Some good news for a change.
As of a half hour ago the Senate voted to pass the $40 billion dollar aid package to Ukraine 86-11 and it's on the way to the White House for Biden's signature.


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Awkward.......

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has ...ts Russian natural gas imports in rubles

They will be using the Russian interbank settlement system IIR, Buying Soviet military upgrades too as their tired of getting jerked around with the delayed weapons systems from NATOstan.


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Why..? Commerce needs to continue or Turkish children (and Russian refugees) will go hungry or lack (unspecified) things be it in Euros or Dollars or Rubles, or Yen.

Leaders do what they gotta do. Whatever they do is gonna hairlip somebody.


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The largest member of NATO is integrating with Russia and the larger Eurasian economic block.

NATO's fighting a proxy war with Russia and Turkey just placed an order for military hardware the US was supposed to supply.

That's why.

I wonder if the EU will see it your way before winter?

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When it comes to staying warm, they will all see it my way shortly.


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Well, reviewing your previous posts on this situation, your current view seems to be swinging to the realist side.

Zelensky looks set to be the fall guy for this tragically doomed NATOstan misadventure.

Mebbe the Europeans can worm there way off the hook of their earlier positions by pinning it on Zelensky. A face saving move to get the heat turned on.

That Amnesty International report out recently on Ukraine war crimes looks to be heading in the direction of the eventual scapegoating and excuse making the diploflops in the US and EU are getting good at making for their string of lies and failures.

On the other hand, what a time to be in military stocks!

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My view is always on the realist side. No one ever "wins" wars. Ukraine will lose, Russia will lose, the rest of the world will lose less but will also lose.

I get that Russia and China are the superior players in your view and deserve to "win" while the US and Europe are the bad guys who will lose due to their socioeconomic failures. I suggest you switch from European tooling and parts to their Chinese and Russian counterparts.

Why did you ever trust NATOstan members to supply anything you might need with their reckless warmongering and bear-baiting! These backward nations can't hold a candle to superior Russian and Chinese widget-making technology.

Perhaps you should even consider moving to Russia for the better working conditions and massive Rubles people are prepared to pay there for robotically manufactured cabinetry!
There's going to be a lot of re-building to be done in the new Ukrainian provinces when NATO falls. And high-end cabinetry is going to be on everyone's shopping list.

I understand it's quite the worker's paradise over there where leadership puts your needs before their own. The China/Russia/Iran axis is where the wise money is being invested is what I've heard.


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